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Old 03-27-2007, 03:43 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Today's Men and Women of Munich

Quote: Newt Gingrich
Today, we have the Men and Women of Munich. Just as before, these are elites who are afraid to face evil, afraid to recognize what our enemies are doing, and afraid to put partisanship aside and put America first so we can join together to defeat those who would destroy us.

The Men and Women of Munich have just scored a victory in Congress. They passed a bill that they have been enthusiastically telling their leftwing allies is designed to end the war in Iraq by crippling the military's ability to achieve victory.

Think about what that means. They haven't stood up courageously to vote to cut off funding for the war and take responsibility. No, they have avoided responsibility and sent the President a bill that is designed to fail and leave young Americans in uniform to pay the price.

This Is Not Just America's Problem

This inability to recognize the evil of our enemy isn't just in our government. Remember the story I told you, about the terrorists who used two children to disguise a car bomb in Iraq? Do you know how the editors at the Associated Press chose to headline that story? Not "Terrorists Slaughter Children, Save Themselves." Incredibly, the headline was "U.S. Destroys Bomb Factory in Iraq."

Talk about burying the lead.

And another news report surfaced this week displaying how Western society is failing to confront the true nature of our enemies because of the insane demands of political correctness.

In Germany, a judge refused to grant a Moroccan-born German woman a divorce on the grounds that the Koran allows husbands to beat their wives.

The woman had filed for divorce because her husband regularly beat her and had threatened to kill her. She had police reports to back her up. But the judge set aside the German constitution in favor of "respecting" religious fanaticism.

As for what it means for the future of Germany -- and Western civilization for that matter -- one German elected official put it best: "When the Koran takes precedence over basic German law, than I can only say: 'Goodnight, Germany.'"

Never Underestimate the Determination of Your Fellow Americans

We are living in serious times -- a time when all of us need to think of the needs of our country and its future rather than our own personal or party interest.

And despite the somber tone of my message to you today, I'm hopeful about our future.

In the years before World War II, the people of Great Britain and America eventually saw what the elites refused to see. They saw their futures, their families' futures, and the great civilization they had built threatened. And so they acted to defend them.
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This inability to recognize the evil of our enemy isn't just in our government.
The evil of your enemy?? Is your enemy evil on account of his actions OR on account of being against YOU?

If you say on account of his actions may i add that the US forces are responsible for no less than 200 times MORE innocent civilian deaths than are ALL the terrorist actions in the history of the 20th and 21st century ( 9/11 cost 3000 lives - War in Iraq cost 600,000 lives) So by THAT definition, the US is certainly the more evil of the parties.

If you call them evil on account of being against America... well then you need to get off your high horse for a second. Opposition to the US is NOT synonymous with evil. To be synonymous with EVIL it would mean that the US was ENTIRELY GOOD. Which i am sorry it is NOT. The US is NO BETTER and NO WORSE than any other nation int he world and its about time it realized that.
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Remember the story I told you, about the terrorists who used two children to disguise a car bomb in Iraq? Do you know how the editors at the Associated Press chose to headline that story? Not "Terrorists Slaughter Children, Save Themselves." Incredibly, the headline was "U.S. Destroys Bomb Factory in Iraq."
Kind of like FOX decided to name the Iraq invasion Operation Iraqi Liberation?? iraqi liberation my ass.

Anyhow it seems that above are TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE STORIES. Are you even sure that they are are the SAME story??


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And another news report surfaced this week displaying how Western society is failing to confront the true nature of our enemies because of the insane demands of political correctness.

In Germany, a judge refused to grant a Moroccan-born German woman a divorce on the grounds that the Koran allows husbands to beat their wives.

The woman had filed for divorce because her husband regularly beat her and had threatened to kill her. She had police reports to back her up. But the judge set aside the German constitution in favor of "respecting" religious fanaticism.

As for what it means for the future of Germany -- and Western civilization for that matter -- one German elected official put it best: "When the Koran takes precedence over basic German law, than I can only say: 'Goodnight, Germany.'"
Of course you neglect to mention that this particular judge was censored and her ruling overturned. The REAL story here is the OPPOSITION she faced from her OWN people in her OWN country from her OWN judiciary on account of her decision. But that wouldn't fit your argument too well would it?

There is NO CHANCE IN HELL that "political correctness" will ever allow a complete disintegration of national values (as is PROVEN by the case in Germany where the judge's ruling was OVERTURNED). This argument is just paranoid fear mongering spread with ONE SINGLE PURPOSE, which is to SCARE your own population to give up EVEN MORE of their constitutionally assured rights.

I am fully aware of the fact that i am no better than any other human on this planet. What the hell gives you the notion that YOU or your COUNTRY is?
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Old 03-30-2007, 07:27 AM   #3 (permalink)
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The evil of your enemy?? Is your enemy evil on account of his actions OR on account of being against YOU?

If you say on account of his actions may i add that the US forces are responsible for no less than 200 times MORE innocent civilian deaths than are ALL the terrorist actions in the history of the 20th and 21st century ( 9/11 cost 3000 lives - War in Iraq cost 600,000 lives) So by THAT definition, the US is certainly the more evil of the parties.

If you call them evil on account of being against America... well then you need to get off your high horse for a second. Opposition to the US is NOT synonymous with evil. To be synonymous with EVIL it would mean that the US was ENTIRELY GOOD. Which i am sorry it is NOT. The US is NO BETTER and NO WORSE than any other nation int he world and its about time it realized that.

Kind of like FOX decided to name the Iraq invasion Operation Iraqi Liberation?? iraqi liberation my ass.

Anyhow it seems that above are TWO COMPLETELY SEPARATE STORIES. Are you even sure that they are are the SAME story??



Of course you neglect to mention that this particular judge was censored and her ruling overturned. The REAL story here is the OPPOSITION she faced from her OWN people in her OWN country from her OWN judiciary on account of her decision. But that wouldn't fit your argument too well would it?

There is NO CHANCE IN HELL that "political correctness" will ever allow a complete disintegration of national values (as is PROVEN by the case in Germany where the judge's ruling was OVERTURNED). This argument is just paranoid fear mongering spread with ONE SINGLE PURPOSE, which is to SCARE your own population to give up EVEN MORE of their constitutionally assured rights.

I am fully aware of the fact that i am no better than any other human on this planet. What the hell gives you the notion that YOU or your COUNTRY is?
And yet you still blame america for all your problems,wow come on dude. write a new song, cause the only one's that buying all the B/S you mouthing is the American haters...600,000 shit is that all, maybe you should blame America for the death of every single person that was ever born from the begainning of time..If amercans would stand together we wouldn't be putting up with all the bullshit being throw at us by our enemies...
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