Defending the Truth

do you think that the american troops i iraq should be brought home immediatly, this is my first thread i`ve started and hope it starts a good debate.

Who are "are troops?"

It's called a possessive pronoun.

(I am a grammar wonk. Humor me.)

Anyway, I think pulling out everyone right this second would be impossible to do. Even if it could be done, logistically speaking, it would be a terrible idea. Iraq is in the midst of a civil war right now, and the government isn't doing a very good job at maintaining law and order. I think we should scale down the number of troops we have there, and let the UN help us out a bit, but I don't think we should just pull out. It's our mess, and we need to clean it up, whether we like it or not.

I deeply despise that. Its so aggravating when politicians do that. Either we need to send many more troops into Iraq or pull out all together. Get the job done, not half-ass. The military has always been saying they need more troops. They're spread thin. No wonder its become such a military disaster.

Scaling down the number of troops will only make it worse. It maddens me so much when politicians offer that, or when Bush does it. Its like he see's that the popularity for the war has gone way down, and many Americans would like to see a withdraw, so he pulls out like a couple thousand troops? As if its like a compromise? He's a business man, and he's going to think in terms of business. The casualties are just numbers to him, just statistics. That's why you see him struting around without any shame or guilt for the disaster his war has become.

Eisenhower once said as President, "God help any man who sits behind this desk who doesn't know the military like I do." And he couldn't be more right.

Agreed with Katczinsky..pulling out some more troops might actually make it worse off for the troops over there now. Don't get me wrong, I would love for all the troops to come home now, but we all know that just can't happen.

If they can't come home but they can't stop a civil war, then where they heck do we stand??????

our troops should stay over there and finish what we started, or we should have complete troop withdrawl and go nagasaki on em` all.

who would really care, i can live without iraq, nobody i know would care if it was gone.

Its easy...a full withdraw. Our presence serves as a catalyst for the agression. If we would have pulled out much sooner, when all the peace protestors in Crawford and Washington were being called crazy liberals, the Iraqis would have been forced to meet more diplomatically and take the lead much more peacefully than perhaps now. Now if we leave, they'll most likely be forced to settle their differences through civil war. But civil war is coming with us there or not.

People who want us to stay, although they want to see things getting better, will only be supporting in the end, American lives in the middle of a civil war, caught as an enemy of both sides. If its anything the Sunnis and Shiite have in common, its that they both hate the Americans.

And if we're going to stay, which we most likely are, we need many more troops, not less. Either more or none.

Believe me, many Iraqis were happy the day the American tanks rolled into the streets of Baghdad. Many people were thrilled to see the fall of Saddam. But it didn't take long for them to realize that they're getting screwed over, and one tyrannt is being replaced by another. Now they see that the Americans just secured the oil fields and not the alleged WMD sites. They see that there are permanent bases being built in Iraq. Of coarse its an occupation! If it were liberation, we would have been out of there.

Now, 82 percent of Iraqis are “strongly opposed” to the presence of coalition troops, and less than one percent of the Iraqi population believes coalition forces are responsible for any improvement in security.

If the Iraq War were truly about freedom and democracy; we would have left Iraq a long time ago.

Saying stupid shit just to get on people's nerves is considered SPAMING on this forum. You have been warned.

I appologize, I am new here.

It's cool. If you stick around and we get to know you, and we know how to spot when you are being sarcastic or joking that is one thing. But for now we are taking what you say at face value. I'm sure you understand.