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Old 04-26-2007, 06:35 AM   #11 (permalink)
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No, defeat is not inevitable. We are The United States of America, we do not lose any war that we really try to win.
Brainwashed much?
No, defeat is inevitable. Bush picked Iraq because, he knew it would take forever to do, there is lots of oil there(that wasn't being shared)
and he knew he would then have war time funding for his whole term.

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Leaving Iraq will not bring peace. The slaughter really will make Darfur look very small by comparison. Then our own streets will become drastically less safe.
So you admit the is a serious problem in Darfur that our country has thus far failed to address?
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Brainwashed much?
No, defeat is inevitable. Bush picked Iraq because, he knew it would take forever to do, there is lots of oil there(that wasn't being shared)
and he knew he would then have war time funding for his whole term.


So you admit the is a serious problem in Darfur that our country has thus far failed to address?
We will just have to agree to disagree concerning inevitability. President Bush did not pick Iraq, Iraq picked us and we responded in the only way that makes any sense. Oil is not a reason for war.

As usual, the U N is showing how helpless they really are. We are addressing a far worse problem than Darfur IN IRAQ
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Old 04-26-2007, 12:24 PM   #13 (permalink)
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We will just have to agree to disagree concerning inevitability. President Bush did not pick Iraq, Iraq picked us and we responded in the only way that makes any sense. Oil is not a reason for war.
Iraq did not choose us, and the war was definitely not random. We forced ourselves upon it. They posed no threat, yet we invaded. Oil was a part of the equation, but not the sole reason. Iraq is in a strategic area and has enough oil that its use (or non-use) will affect global prices. It's more likely to be used as leverage than profit. The bases being built on Iraqi soil are not built for a brief occupation as was mentioned. They are built to be permanent bases.
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We will just have to agree to disagree concerning inevitability. President Bush did not pick Iraq, Iraq picked us and we responded in the only way that makes any sense. Oil is not a reason for war.

As usual, the U N is showing how helpless they really are. We are addressing a far worse problem than Darfur IN IRAQ
Please explain to me how Iraq picked us. Then we can agree to disagree.
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Iraq did not choose us, and the war was definitely not random. We forced ourselves upon it. They posed no threat, yet we invaded. Oil was a part of the equation, but not the sole reason. Iraq is in a strategic area and has enough oil that its use (or non-use) will affect global prices. It's more likely to be used as leverage than profit. The bases being built on Iraqi soil are not built for a brief occupation as was mentioned. They are built to be permanent bases.
Ya know, you have alot of insight for a younger person. Here here.
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We will just have to agree to disagree concerning inevitability. President Bush did not pick Iraq, Iraq picked us and we responded in the only way that makes any sense. Oil is not a reason for war.

As usual, the U N is showing how helpless they really are. We are addressing a far worse problem than Darfur IN IRAQ
Iraq not about the oil. Can you see me rolling on the floor laughing?
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Iraq did not choose us, and the war was definitely not random. We forced ourselves upon it. They posed no threat, yet we invaded. Oil was a part of the equation, but not the sole reason. Iraq is in a strategic area and has enough oil that its use (or non-use) will affect global prices. It's more likely to be used as leverage than profit. The bases being built on Iraqi soil are not built for a brief occupation as was mentioned. They are built to be permanent bases.
I don't know who called the war "random", but it was not me. Saddam Hussein was in total violation of numerous UN resolutions. He killed countless people in his own country and was a serious threat to his neighbors. When the UN chose to ignore his tantrums, all accepted intelligence ( accepted by Republicans and Democrats, President Clinton included, in America and many intelligece agencies in many other countries ) indicated that he was a threat with WMDs. I believe the WMD's are now in Syria. We could not let things slide like that which happened prior to WWII. BTW America is not a country that occupies another countries. If we were then Great Britain, France, Germany, Japan, and others would still be subordinate to American rule.
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I don't know who called the war "random", but it was not me. Saddam Hussein was in total violation of numerous UN resolutions. He killed countless people in his own country and was a serious threat to his neighbors. When the UN chose to ignore his tantrums, all accepted intelligence ( accepted by Republicans and Democrats, President Clinton included, in America and many intelligece agencies in many other countries ) indicated that he was a threat with WMDs. I believe the WMD's are now in Syria. We could not let things slide like that which happened prior to WWII. BTW America is not a country that occupies another countries. If we were then Great Britain, France, Germany, Japan, and others would still be subordinate to American rule.
Oh, th same UN we chose to ignore when they said there wasn't enough evidence to invade? There were no WMD in Iraq. Had Iraq possessed them and moved them to Syria we would have seen it with the cameras constantly trained on the country from space. The CIA reported there was no evidence of WMD before we went in but Bush buried this report and didn't show it to congress. Joe Wilson reported no sale of yellow cake uranium had occured and this report was buried too and not shown to congress. We went in based on deceptions presented to congress by Mr Bush. He and Cheney are at fault, not the people he lied to.
They both should be locked up and our troops withdrawn.
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Oh, th same UN we chose to ignore when they said there wasn't enough evidence to invade? There were no WMD in Iraq. Had Iraq possessed them and moved them to Syria we would have seen it with the cameras constantly trained on the country from space. The CIA reported there was no evidence of WMD before we went in but Bush buried this report and didn't show it to congress. Joe Wilson reported no sale of yellow cake uranium had occured and this report was buried too and not shown to congress. We went in based on deceptions presented to congress by Mr Bush. He and Cheney are at fault, not the people he lied to.
They both should be locked up and our troops withdrawn.
It has been exposed that Saddam sent his WMD's to Syria in planes that supposedly held aid for victims of some disaster (I think it was an earthquake)
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It has been exposed that Saddam sent his WMD's to Syria in planes that supposedly held aid for victims of some disaster (I think it was an earthquake)
Could you provide a link please.
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