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Old 04-27-2007, 06:15 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Tenet admits that intellegence for the Iraq War was fabricated. "At the Center of the Storm: My Years at the CIA" by George Tenet.
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Old 04-27-2007, 06:18 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Tenet admits that intellegence for the Iraq War was fabricated. "At the Center of the Storm: My Years at the CIA" by George Tenet.
I won't disagree with you there. . . I'm just curious - can you come up with a quote from the book/article where he actually uses the words "The intelligence for the Iraq War was fabricated?" Or, words to that effect?
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I won't disagree with you there. . . I'm just curious - can you come up with a quote from the book/article where he actually uses the words "The intelligence for the Iraq War was fabricated?" Or, words to that effect?
Let me help! It's not from a book!

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.---Arthur Schopenhauer

Here's just a few of the lies and deception fed to U.S. citizens. You want more?

1. Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.---Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention August 26, 2002

2. Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.---George W. Bush Speech to UN General Assembly September 12, 2002

3. If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.---Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing December 2, 2002

4. We know for a fact that there are weapons there.---Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing January 9, 2003

5. Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.---George W. Bush
State of the Union Address January 28, 2003

6. We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.---Colin Powell Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003

7. We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.---
George W. Bush Radio Address February 8, 2003

8. If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct.---Colin Powell
Interview with Radio France International February 28, 2003

9. So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.---Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council March 7, 2003

10. Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.---George W. Bush Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

11. Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.---Ari Fleisher Press Briefing March 21, 2003

12. There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.---Gen. Tommy Franks Press Conference
March 22, 2003

13. I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.---Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman Washington Post, p. A27 March 23, 2003

14. One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.Pentagon Spokeswoman ---Victoria Clark Press Briefing March 22, 2003

15. We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
---Donald Rumsfeld ABC Interview March 30, 2003

16. Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.---Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed April 9, 2003

17. We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.---George W. Bush NBC Interview April 24, 2003

18. There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.---Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing April 25, 2003

19. We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.---George W. Bush Remarks to Reporters May 3, 2003

20. For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.---Paul Wolfowitz Vanity Fair interview May 28, 2003


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Old 04-28-2007, 06:34 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Let me help! It's not from a book!

All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident.---Arthur Schopenhauer

Here's just a few of the lies and deception fed to U.S. citizens. You want more?

1. Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.---Dick Cheney
Speech to VFW National Convention August 26, 2002

2. Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.---George W. Bush Speech to UN General Assembly September 12, 2002

3. If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again misleading the world.---Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing December 2, 2002

4. We know for a fact that there are weapons there.---Ari Fleischer
Press Briefing January 9, 2003

5. Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.---George W. Bush
State of the Union Address January 28, 2003

6. We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.---Colin Powell Remarks to UN Security Council
February 5, 2003

7. We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.---
George W. Bush Radio Address February 8, 2003

8. If Iraq had disarmed itself, gotten rid of its weapons of mass destruction over the past 12 years, or over the last several months since (UN Resolution) 1441 was enacted, we would not be facing the crisis that we now have before us . . . But the suggestion that we are doing this because we want to go to every country in the Middle East and rearrange all of its pieces is not correct.---Colin Powell
Interview with Radio France International February 28, 2003

9. So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? . . . I think our judgment has to be clearly not.---Colin Powell
Remarks to UN Security Council March 7, 2003

10. Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.---George W. Bush Address to the Nation
March 17, 2003

11. Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.---Ari Fleisher Press Briefing March 21, 2003

12. There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.---Gen. Tommy Franks Press Conference
March 22, 2003

13. I have no doubt we're going to find big stores of weapons of mass destruction.---Defense Policy Board member Kenneth Adelman Washington Post, p. A27 March 23, 2003

14. One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.Pentagon Spokeswoman ---Victoria Clark Press Briefing March 22, 2003

15. We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.
---Donald Rumsfeld ABC Interview March 30, 2003

16. Obviously the administration intends to publicize all the weapons of mass destruction U.S. forces find -- and there will be plenty.---Neocon scholar Robert Kagan
Washington Post op-ed April 9, 2003

17. We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.---George W. Bush NBC Interview April 24, 2003

18. There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.---Donald Rumsfeld
Press Briefing April 25, 2003

19. We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.---George W. Bush Remarks to Reporters May 3, 2003

20. For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.---Paul Wolfowitz Vanity Fair interview May 28, 2003

Thanks, but all that verbal diarreah doesn't answer my original question. . .

I was asking about George Tenet specifically, so here is my question again: Can anyone come up with a quote from Tenet's book where George Tenet actually uses the words/phrase - "The intelligence for the Iraq War was fabricated?" Or, words to that effect?
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Thanks, but all that verbal diarreah doesn't answer my original question. . .

I was asking about George Tenet specifically, so here is my question again: Can anyone come up with a quote from Tenet's book where George Tenet actually uses the words/phrase - "The intelligence for the Iraq War was fabricated?" Or, words to that effect?
Get off your ass and read the book.
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Get off your ass and read the book.
I am enjoying this - it's fun. . .

See, folks, I asked a simple and valid question (and I'm not getting an answer). No, I haven't read the book, but I'm willing to bet that Tenet never actually used the words, "The Intelligence for the Iraq War was fabricated."

I am even willing to put my membership in this web site on the table here. . .

So, here's the bet: If anyone can come up with a quote from George Tenet's recent book, where he actually used the words/phrase - "The Intelligence for the Iraq War was fabricated (or even words to that effect)," then I will leave this web site and never come back. On the other hand, if you can't come up with an actual quote along that line, then you must leave this web site and never come back. Any takers?

And please, just answer the question. . . no personal attacks or verbal diarreah like I've been receiving in this thread thus far. . .
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I am enjoying this - it's fun. . .

See, folks, I asked a simple and valid question (and I'm not getting an answer). No, I haven't read the book, but I'm willing to bet that Tenet never actually used the words, "The Intelligence for the Iraq War was fabricated."

I am even willing to put my membership in this web site on the table here. . .

So, here's the bet: If anyone can come up with a quote from George Tenet's recent book, where he actually used the words/phrase - "The Intelligence for the Iraq War was fabricated (or even words to that effect)," then I will leave this web site and never come back. On the other hand, if you can't come up with an actual quote along that line, then you must leave this web site and never come back. Any takers?

And please, just answer the question. . . no personal attacks or verbal diarreah like I've been receiving in this thread thus far. . .
How about letting the guy make a few bucks on it before all the sordid details are released? Best keep track of your words, NightRider...you'll have to eat these very ones come July!
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I am enjoying this - it's fun. . .

See, folks, I asked a simple and valid question (and I'm not getting an answer). No, I haven't read the book, but I'm willing to bet that Tenet never actually used the words, "The Intelligence for the Iraq War was fabricated."

I am even willing to put my membership in this web site on the table here. . .

So, here's the bet: If anyone can come up with a quote from George Tenet's recent book, where he actually used the words/phrase - "The Intelligence for the Iraq War was fabricated (or even words to that effect)," then I will leave this web site and never come back. On the other hand, if you can't come up with an actual quote along that line, then you must leave this web site and never come back. Any takers?

And please, just answer the question. . . no personal attacks or verbal diarreah like I've been receiving in this thread thus far. . .
Since the release date for the book is tomorrow, I doubt that anyone here has read it yet.

Anyone here in the position to recieve an advance copy?

In any case, it is a bit early to have any real discussion on the book until people get a chance to read it.

And why on Earth would you want to stake your or anyone's membership on this question? What use is a debate site if there aren't people on both sides of an issue debating?
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I am enjoying this - it's fun. . .

See, folks, I asked a simple and valid question (and I'm not getting an answer). No, I haven't read the book, but I'm willing to bet that Tenet never actually used the words, "The Intelligence for the Iraq War was fabricated."

I am even willing to put my membership in this web site on the table here. . .

So, here's the bet: If anyone can come up with a quote from George Tenet's recent book, where he actually used the words/phrase - "The Intelligence for the Iraq War was fabricated (or even words to that effect)," then I will leave this web site and never come back. On the other hand, if you can't come up with an actual quote along that line, then you must leave this web site and never come back. Any takers?

And please, just answer the question. . . no personal attacks or verbal diarreah like I've been receiving in this thread thus far. . .
Catch a glimpse of "60 Minutes" where Tenet TALKED about the situation? I think he pretty much gave a true depiction of the White House. Now, you'll wallow in the "exact wording" again and still support the most corrupt and incompetent and self-serving administration ever had by this nation. IT's your right to do that. And we democrats will fight hard to make sure Bush doesn't take away THAT right from you, too.
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