Why do women murderers get lighter sentences? - Page 5

garysher · 06-08-2007, 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos

I find it amusing that you accuse others of giving into emotionalism and then use emotionally loaded terms like "cold-blooded."

How would you describe the actions of a woman who premeditatively killed her husband whilst he slept?

Warm and friendly?

Empathetic?

Supportive?

It's amazing how you give away your support for the actions of this murderer, yet you still claim to support the rule of law!

Hio · 06-08-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

IF he abused his wife then he could have been prosecuted to the full extent of the law
You think sitting in a jail cell is EQUAL to years of mental trauma and abuse, not to mention the physical reprocussions that abuse can create.
That's why we have the rule of law and not the rule of vigilantism

Which do you want??

You keep saying you believe in the rule of law then you quickly add what you think are exceptions to it.
Im not the only one who thinks like that. When an officer is in a state where he believes his life is in danger from anyone, with probable cause that officer is JUSTIFIED to use deadly force if needed. And that officer will have no murder charge set upon him whatsoever. You feel that is equal here? That if a womans and her childs life is in danger so badly that she feels that deadly force must be taken to stop this from happening. The point is you dont know what emotions are running through your body ATM when this is happening because you havnt had it happen so you have no say in it really.

You are giving in to your emotional feelings of anger just like the girlies are

Not quite
You promote equality SO MUCH but when someone retaliates the way you feel was wrong....they are automaticly deemed wrong and should be punished to the fullest not even looking at what caused the retaliation in the first place.

CrazyFlamingos · 06-08-2007, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

What "extenuating circumstances" justify murdering someone in their sleep?

I answered that in my second post.

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Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos

In all seriousness, it is easy for me to believe that she had reached the point that she truly just could not see any other way out of the misery that this family was going through.

Her husband was a threat to her and to her children. And the only way she could be sure that he would never have access to them again was if he was dead.

If she left him and got custody of the children, he probably would still have visitation rights.

Also if she left him, the chances that he would escalate his violence toward her and the children would increase exponentially. The headline might very well have read, “Man gets life sentence for murder of his wife and children.”

After ten years of regular abuse there is little doubt that she was suffering from some sort of mental illness whether or not she would be considered legally insane before and/or after that night. It is a fact that sometimes people who are trapped in a situation that they see no way out of just “snap.”

Was what she did the moral choice?

No.

Does she deserve to spend the rest of her life in prison for it?

IMO, also no.

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And how do you reconcile that position with your alleged support for the rule of law?

Motive, circumstances, and intent all come into play when determining everything from what charges to file to what sentence to hand down. Laws are not and should not be applied as if we live in a black and white world.

Hio · 06-08-2007, 07:34 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

What "extenuating circumstances" justify murdering someone in their sleep?

And how do you reconcile that position with your alleged support for the rule of law?

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Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos

In all seriousness, it is easy for me to believe that she had reached the point that she truly just could not see any other way out of the misery that this family was going through.

Her husband was a threat to her and to her children. And the only way she could be sure that he would never have access to them again was if he was dead.

If she left him and got custody of the children, he probably would still have visitation rights.

Also if she left him, the chances that he would escalate his violence toward her and the children would increase exponentially. The headline might very well have read, “Man gets life sentence for murder of his wife and children.”

After ten years of regular abuse there is little doubt that she was suffering from some sort of mental illness whether or not she would be considered legally insane before and/or after that night. It is a fact that sometimes people who are trapped in a situation that they see no way out of just “snap.”

Was what she did the moral choice?

No.

Does she deserve to spend the rest of her life in prison for it?

IMO, also no.

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Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos

I answered that in my second post.

Motive, circumstances, and intent all come into play when determining everything from what charges to file to what sentence to hand down. Laws are not and should not be applied as if we live in a black and white world.

Agreed

garysher · 06-08-2007, 07:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos

I answered that in my second post.

Motive, circumstances, and intent all come into play when determining everything from what charges to file to what sentence to hand down. Laws are not and should not be applied as if we live in a black and white world.

You and Hio both seem to be saying that there can be justification for cold blooded murder.

If that is the case then why should people bother to observe the rule of law?

Why not take the law into their own hands and plead their case afterwards

I'm amazed at your callous disregard for human life

CrazyFlamingos · 06-08-2007, 07:38 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

How would you describe the actions of a woman who premeditatively killed her husband whilst he slept?

Warm and friendly?

Empathetic?

Supportive?

It's amazing how you give away your support for the actions of this murderer, yet you still claim to support the rule of law!

Irrelevant. Cold-blooded is still an emotionally loaded buzzword.

You are engaging in the same unreasoning behaviour that you say we are displaying.

Hio · 06-08-2007, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

You and Hio both seem to be saying that there can be justification for cold blooded murder.
Because there can be. You just havent lived it to know what justifacation we are trying to shove in your Cali sun fried head.
If that is the case then why should people bother to observe the rule of law?

Why not take the law into their own hands and plead their case afterwards
ummmm some do...thats why they go to court to explain their actions afterwards.
I'm amazed at your callous disregard for human life

I know Gary, you should be amazed. You should also be ashamed that you obviously dont care that this woman and her child were abused so much and badly that she had to kill the husband. Hadnt crossed you mind did it that if someone had to go to THAT LENGTH to make sure they were safe from him, that the abuse wasnt as equally bad and he didnt deserve it in the lease amount?

CrazyFlamingos · 06-08-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by garysher

You and Hio both seem to be saying that there can be justification for cold blooded murder.

Then you need to re-read the thread.

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If that is the case then why should people bother to observe the rule of law?

Why not take the law into their own hands and plead their case afterwards

Since I never said what you say I am saying, this is a strawman.

garysher · 06-08-2007, 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos

Irrelevant. Cold-blooded is still an emotionally loaded buzzword.

You are engaging in the same unreasoning behaviour that you say we are displaying.

Not at all.

Cold blooded would be an objective way to describe the demeanour of anyone who murders someone while they sleep and cannot defend themselves.

It's a perfectly apt expression:

cold-blooded

• adjective without emotion; callous.

But you are making it very clear that you think this woman was justified in MURDERING her husband.

So much for your alleged interest in equality of the sexes and the rule of law

Yet again you are trying to defend this woman murderer

garysher · 06-08-2007, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Hio

I know Gary, you should be amazed. You should also be ashamed that you obviously dont care that this woman and her child were abused so much
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You have no grounds for thinking I don't care about her abuse. That's just your hormones again

and badly that she had to kill the husband.

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Why did she HAVE TO do it??

Why couldn't she go to the police and prosecute him? In other words why couldn't she adhere to the rule of law?

Hadnt crossed you mind did it that if someone had to

HAD to???

go to THAT LENGTH to make sure they were safe from him, that the abuse wasnt as equally bad and he didnt deserve it in the lease amount?

Your contradictions are so obvious it's embarrassing!

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