I know alot of the time you guys are attacked first but sometimes there are people that don't agree with people being gay, that post reasonable stuff, and they get thier heads bit off. Its a two way street and this forum is about politics. Its been months since I've since a whole thread in the gay marriage forum that was about the politics of being gay, all the way through. Some start that way but it always turns into a insult match, and, quite frankly, the Mods are sick of it. We expect eveyone to post in an non-insultive manner and not have to close threads and deal the bullshit.

just curious, in what way do you consider "reasonable" to "disagree" with the our existence?

seriously - would you accept ANY "reasonable disagreement" about the acceptance of blacks? jews? women? hispanics? - is there ANY other group of people you would accept "reasonable disagreement" about their existence?

You know I personally feel that a person's sexual orientation is not a choice and it is thier business.
But to be fair I would say that if others think being gay is morally wrong than that is thier opinion and exceptable, not comparable with the people you mentioned. If they are voicing that opinion without throwing insults, than I would say that is exceptable. Sorry Tris, but freedom of speech without insults is what we encourage here.
We need the little war we have going here to end. This is directed at both sides. If you don't like someones opinionated exceptable comments, or thier lifestyle, than you all need to say so without insults, and snide remarks. We could have made the call to hand out a bunch of infractions tonight over all this but choose not too We figured maybe you all would understand our position and choose to post in an adult manner, from now on. The 'Do gays spead HIV' thread was just to the point of being plain childish. Stop insulting each other. Final warning. We are all adults.

??? what???? not comparable?????

there are MANY people who find blacks unacceptable in this country.
there are MANY people who find non-Christians immoral.
there are MANY people who find it immoral for women to work outside the home, rather than staying home to be a homemaker.

by the way - all those people have Biblical scripture to back up their attitudes.

the difference is that you find such attitudes contemptible - yet, for some bizarre reason, find people against the VERY EXISTENCE of gay people to be acceptable "debate" material.

see - that's the issue. not "gay marriage"...the gay marriage threads always denigrate into gay bashing - it would be like having a "reparations" thread - that always degenerated into blacks being the leading statistic in violent crimes, drug addiction, single mothers, and welfare receipients. Not whether blacks were due reparations - but how vile and disgusting blacks are.

Tristan, I am sure you know me from my record of posts here. I am in favor of equal rights for all and do embrace gay people with respect and the warmth of friendship, advocating that each person ought to follow their hearts.

Still there is a difference that I presently perceive when adding gay people to the list of races. Gay demonstrates itself in behavior not in color of skin.

OD

Heres the deal, we have a big problem here on this board with this bullshit. It is going to end right now. I have tried to be nice to everyone involved but I've spent hours and hours((not a paid position, I might add) of my time on this problem. I will start handing out bans like they are candy on Halloween to anyone who comes to my door. I have had it.

Like it or not people are entitled to their opinion about the morality of being Gay. Deal with it. If they are being jerks you could PM one of us or report the post(if it actually is an infractable post), not attack right back.
I am an athiest and you don't see me trading insults with the Religious folk do you? I may disagree but I don't insult.

I've been trying to get both sides to chill out, nicely, for weeks, scratch that, months, but no one will stop. I am not on this thread to debate with you. Unfortunately my debating ended when I had to switch to moderation here. I am on this thread to moderate and if you think you have some big solution to the problem the staff has with constant reported posts (alot that can't be infacted), childish insults, gay bashing and hatemongering than PM me or one of the other staff members. Done deal.

Have a great night.

you have a great night too - and, if at some time in the future, rather than being heavy-handed and pompous, you would like to address (the perfectly civilized, polite, and valid) questions I posed, I would be happy to read them.

Maybe you'd like to start a thread about it and I would be happy to respond in a civilized polite manner.

I am bound, now that I am forced to moderate here(again), to bow out of the debate.

Heavy-handed and pompous huh? I guess I got my point across then. Thats great.

I'm out of here.

Come on Tristan, we can be friends again. After all, you are a doo-doo head.

But wouldn't those still be acceptable topics for debate on DtT, no matter how offensive you and I might find them?

If someone posted saying, for example, that they felt that the family unit should consist of a man whose role was to be the breadwinner, and a wife whose role was to be the homemaker, would they be banned for saying that? I'd disagree with that viewpoint, obviously, but surely it would be permissible?

The difference would be if someone moved that away from the generic and started attacking women on here who have chosen not to fit into that mould - then it would be a personal attack.

However, I haven't seen anyone on here claim that I should be exterminated for being gay. Not yet, anyway.