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Old 01-12-2008, 12:42 PM   #21 (permalink)
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How's 'bout having him show up in your prayers instead?

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I don't do that - it's such a silly thing you know.
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Maybe mainstream society would be less apt to write them off if they wouldn't exhibit such fucked-up behavior in the first place.

Yeah well...if you were raped by your mother's, one-of-many "boyfriends" ...your mom took her food stamps and traded them for some crack, and you're constantly being shuffled in and out of homeless shelters and flop houses...you might want to "wear" your cry for help too.

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EVEN IF prayer doesn't change things, it changes the heart of the one who does it.

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Old 01-12-2008, 12:46 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Yeah well...if you were raped by your mother's, one-of-many "boyfriends" ...your mom took her food stamps and traded them for some crack, and you're constantly being shuffled in and out of homeless shelters and flop houses...you might want to "wear" your cry for help too.

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That is definitely a tragic reality of our society. However, the products of these horrible situations cannot be allowed to commit henious crimes as a result. "Wearing a cry for help" is the first sign of trouble to come.
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Maybe mainstream society would be less apt to write them off if they wouldn't exhibit such fucked-up behavior in the first place.
Interesting you should point this out. It really does matter what you do with your discontentment. There exists a whole race of people that aren't satisfied if they don't have anything to complain about. You've been around them before, complaining about everything, and everything is negative. They're impossible to be around, am I right? So they have a miserable attitude because they're sad and they're sad because they have a miserable attitude. It's a vicious cycle, but so long as you recognize such wacked-out behavior as it is; a cry for help.

The traditional (and indeed biological and natural) route is to cry for help because we are still close to our original nature as a species-being. But, I personally went through about four or five years or so of major depression as a young teenager (from about junior high to about my mid years of high school) and found my own rather introverted route of a mostly mental and 'spiritual' (if I may use the term for sakes of communication) though also physical development. The problem with the former path is that there really no longer exists such stable institutions to provide such an environment that meets our species-being in our bourgieois system. Likewise, people are upset when things do not match their expectations. I took my own initiative because I had to, but unfortunately not all can do that. Each person heals differently.

Sometimes it's more important to be at peace with your surroundings than attempt to create them to match your expectations.
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That is definitely a tragic reality of our society. However, the products of these horrible situations cannot be allowed to commit henious crimes as a result. "Wearing a cry for help" is the first sign of trouble to come.
"Wearing a cry for help" is an early warning sign that there needs to be intervention. And the onus of the child's life is on the community.

You don't like that much, do ya Pen? That's really it, isn't it? You don't want any of your income going to interventions for lives in crisis.

To hell with 'em all, huh?

Wasted lives, none of your concern. Next time you pick up your clothes at the drycleaners, thank the Almighty God that you are better than those who are so beneath you as to be "suicidal scum" in your view.

And make sure you got your tie meticulously tied round about your neck. Don't choke, Honey...

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Old 01-12-2008, 01:05 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Interesting you should point this out. It really does matter what you do with your discontentment. There exists a whole race of people that aren't satisfied if they don't have anything to complain about. You've been around them before, complaining about everything, and everything is negative. They're impossible to be around, am I right? So they have a miserable attitude because they're sad and they're sad because they have a miserable attitude. It's a vicious cycle, but so long as you recognize such wacked-out behavior as it is; a cry for help.

The traditional (and indeed biological and natural) route is to cry for help because we are still close to our original nature as a species-being. But, I personally went through about four or five years or so of major depression as a young teenager (from about junior high to about my mid years of high school) and found my own rather introverted route of a mostly mental and 'spiritual' (if I may use the term for sakes of communication) though also physical development. The problem with the former path is that there really no longer exists such stable institutions to provide such an environment that meets our species-being in our bourgieois system. Likewise, people are upset when things do not match their expectations. I took my own initiative because I had to, but unfortunately not all can do that. Each person heals differently.

Sometimes it's more important to be at peace with your surroundings than attempt to create them to match your expectations.
That's a great post Kat. I think we are wrecking our society with the stranglehold that kids are under these days. And they are acting out in many ways. When I went to school, I could cut classes, and even entire days without even being really noticed. Nowadays, schools are locked up like prisons and kids can't have more then a few unexcused absences or they are automatically failed. They have no outlets of campus since very few businesses allow kids to just hang out any more.

So now all kids have to do is just act out sexually, violently, self mutilation, or other things that many of us hadn't even thought about. If our kids are screwed, we have very little hope for the future.
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Kat, you have my admiration.

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Old 01-12-2008, 01:18 PM   #29 (permalink)
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You do know that I am not so naive as to think that the kid came from poverty, necessarily. He may well have come from affluence, but suffered neglect and abuse, and intolerance to his own being.

Sad to say and not to bring it in on this thread, but maybe he came from fundamental Christian family and is gay...and felt shamed by that and so he acted out in other ways too. Or maybe he is not gay, but he is lonely. Maybe his father is too busy, always too busy to be that voice his son needs about the growing concerns of manhood.

Maybe his mother is a socialite, rubbing elbows with the snoots in town and the dad is filling all his time either at work, on the golf course, or downloading porn on his laptop.

Maybe the kid has all the advantages of a strong economy in the home and all the disadvantages of a lack of guidance, example, and empathy for the awkwardness of growing up at all...

Maybe he wants his parents to notice him. And they have yet to do that.

So in that regard, Pen, for your noticing him, you are ahead of his own parents!

Really Pen, what if that was your son???

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"Wearing a cry for help" is an early warning sign that there needs to be intervention. And the onus of the child's life is on the community.

You don't like that much, do ya Pen? That's really it, isn't it? You don't want any of your income going to interventions for lives in crisis.

To hell with 'em all, huh?

Wasted lives, none of your concern. Next time you pick up your clothes at the drycleaners, thank the Almighty God that you are better than those who are so beneath you as to be "suicidal scum" in your view.

And make sure you got your tie meticulously tied round about your neck. Don't choke, Honey...

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I certainly respect your point of view on the topic and you do make a lot of good points. However, I think you are under the false impression that I've had a silver-spoon existance and haven't been touched by any tragedies in my life. You also seem to think that I have never done anything to help others.

The truth is that life's tragedies have indeed reared their ugly heads my way far too many times. It's also true that I have done things in the sole interests of helping others. The sad reality is you usually get fucked in the end when you display the least bit of charity.

Based on my life's experiences I've learned to trust very few people, and be damn careful on those I help because most people will seek to take advantage of you. The world is still mostly a very unkind place. I also get sick and tired of people trying to make me feel guilty over the sad plights of others. Finally, I don't care to be made a consequence of somebody else's bad behavior.
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