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Old 01-28-2008, 06:05 PM   #61 (permalink)
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That's what I thought. Your man-hating tendencies took you on a different track.
[sarcasm] Yes, just like you I don't want to be married to a man. And the only possible explanation for this is that we hate men.[/sarcasm]
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Gary, I considered which post of yours to quote to show this my reply to, but you know, ALL your posts drip with the same worn out and tired self-righteous act.

The women who have pursued finding that which their children had/have coming to them demonstrates their excellence in mothering their children. I commend them.

I have a different story to tell, but surely seeing your crude and inhumane judgments against women who have fought on behalf of their children, I would be a foolish woman to share any personal dets here on the DtT for you to get a hold of.

You make everyone's vulnerable honest sharing your personal heydey. Tsk tsk, tsk to you Gary.

Have you no shame Gary? Have you no ounce of compassion or love for the fatherless?

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Old 01-28-2008, 06:47 PM   #63 (permalink)
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He already had a chance to tell his story in court and, as evidenced by the fact that there was a judgment against him, he lost.
That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the behavior here. We don't know his situation and how he's living today. He could be busy ruining another woman's life, or this woman could be doing it by taking the second income from THAT household. If he has no assets, this ain't good for no one.
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Thanks, Joe.

This is something else I'm wondering....

He was ordered to cover the kids on his insurance. Since he decided to quit his job and disappear, I've been paying for their health coverage out of my paycheck, what amounts to over $200 a month.

I wonder if that's re-imbursable to me?
Yes, it is; Knot. And since you are covering your children now; if you were to bring the Contempt of Court action against your ex; you might be well served to request that the monthly amount that you pay be added to his monthly support obligation. I am not a lawyer, but I would suggest that you consult one to find out more about this. The attorney will be able to go over exactly what you are entitled to; and what the process entails to get your divorce (and your ex) back in line according to the court order.
One other thing; Knot. If you do not have an attorney, please consult with one. I understand many people do not want the hassle or expense of dealing with one in a divorce; but it really is a necessary expense. In your case, it is also one that you need only pay the retainer the attorney wants- your ex will be made to pay the rest. When the attorney gets all the orders on paper and filed; they will be enforcable- but not until.
I know of a woman (my neighbor; in fact) who thought she could do things the easy way. Her ex promised everything would be just peachy. Since nothing was officially a court order, she found out that she had no case when he stopped giving her money for her kids for awhile. She had to hire an attorney to learn the legal lesson: If it's not on paper, (and made an order of the court) it doesn't exist- and therefore not enforcable.
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I'm glad I don't have any kids out there. This crap would suck, from all sides. Father mother kids. And the new patriarchal family as well.
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Not necessarily. There are two sides to every story. We don't know his side yet. How his life is going, what he is going through right now. What if he has another family that depends on his presence for support? As PN would say, I guess it just "Fuck them" huh?
So as far as I'm concerned, sitting here wishing prison and gleefully celebrating catching him is just petty. If he has no assets, as PN mentioned, this will only end up costing all of us more than Knot will ever recover. But party on...good luck wit dat.
If the man in question had a change in circumstances, all he had to do was file a motion with the court to explain his situation. It is possible that his support can be changed; possibly even lowered. But to just stop paying support without doing so just brings about more trouble for that man.
Court orders are not for any of us to decide to interpret any way we wish. Court orders can be changed by legal means.
You are right; FX, in that if her ex has no assets, it will cost more than Knot will ever recover. As far as her ex having another family; unfortunately, the divorce from Knot pre-dates this. He will still be held responsible for the debt to Knot.
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That's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the behavior here. We don't know his situation and how he's living today. He could be busy ruining another woman's life, or this woman could be doing it by taking the second income from THAT household. If he has no assets, this ain't good for no one.

"this woman" isn't doing jack to any second family. He fathered children, the law of the land says he has to support them. Any honorable person should say he has to support them. He had his day in court and the courts evidently found that he was indeed the father of Knot's children and thus is obligated to pay child support.

So, if there is a second family whose lives are adversely affected by his arrest, it is entirely his responsibility.

And if he has no assets then he needs to get a job and earn some assets.
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Great news, Lady! This must come as a relief, but probably also with some anxiety about what happens next... best wishes.
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Have you no shame Gary? Have you no ounce of compassion or love for the fatherless?
On the off chance that these weren't rhetorical questions, OD, in order,

1. No.
2. Only in the case of two lesbians adopting a child.
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Gary, I considered which post of yours to quote to show this my reply to, but you know, ALL your posts drip with the same worn out and tired self-righteous act.

The women who have pursued finding that which their children had/have coming to them demonstrates their excellence in mothering their children. I commend them.

I have a different story to tell, but surely seeing your crude and inhumane judgments against women who have fought on behalf of their children, I would be a foolish woman to share any personal dets here on the DtT for you to get a hold of.

You make everyone's vulnerable honest sharing your personal heydey. Tsk tsk, tsk to you Gary.

Have you no shame Gary? Have you no ounce of compassion or love for the fatherless?

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Of course I have compassion for the poor children who are dragged through this mire through no fault of their own, many of whom go on to replicate their parents' errors in their own adult lives.

Isn't it interesting just how far men and women will go to try and side step what is at the core of all these human tragedies - the avoidance of personal responsibility.
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