Let's put aside your incorrect assertion that women "choose" to be lesbians. That has been dealt with plenty of times elsewhere, no need to rehash it here.

You seem to suggest that it should be everyone's goal to conform to... something... and that lesbians cannot, and that is what leads us to decide to not care if men find us attractive.

Of course, this could not be further from the truth.

Whatever standard it is you are suggesting that everyone "should" conform to is just a narrow construction in your mind. It has no bearing on reality.

Reality conforms to reality, not the narrow-minded imaginings of what reality "should" be. I conform to reality precisely as much as the next person does.

You also seem to be equating the idea that a woman should seek to conform... with the idea that a woman should be pre-occupied with being (making herself) attractive to men. That is the popular and misogynistic view in society, but that doesn't make it right.

If it were up to me, women would spend more time making themselves attractive to themselves (in other words, building self-esteem) than trying to conform to some unattainable, ever-shifting patriarchal BS image of attractiveness purveyed by the popular media.

Looking outward for validation of one's self-worth is a losing game.
The only way to win is not to play.
Self-actualized women don't play.

I think all people at one time or another prefer to stick to their stereotypes out of comfort, rather than deal with reality, which can be uncomfortable. I admit that I have done it myself in the past.

But there is also the matter of confusing what a person is doing right now with who a person is. What you do is only a part of who you are.

Cyn, as I'm sure you will admit, women's role is to please men and to serve them. The whole point of wearing make-up and looking attactive is to please men. You should be thanking men for allowing you to work and make money. Men are the center of the universe and women revolve around them tending to their needs. Of course, you already knew all this.

Funny, but sad, PN.
Funny, because I know you don't believe this.
Sad, because far too many men do.

Oh yeah? Go fetch me a beer and a sandwich right now woman!!

Perhaps you should reconsider your application to join the "Yearning for Zion" Church in San Angelo, TX.

Have you ever noticed that most guys who really feel that way are fat and have goatees?

I'm sorry, "choose to have a homosexual relationship with a woman". Like the many college females who do it for whatever reason until they graduate. Then off to find a penis.

And you seem to suggest that it NEVER happens. When you can't find sexual fulfillment one way, you have to expand your options.

Na heterosexuality is all around us. Homosexuality is the one-off that "just happens". Like a penny that gets struck wrong.

Until it comes down to sexuality. It's a sexual deviance. "In reality", there is very little difference between the genders, but there are a few deviations that make a hell of a lot of difference.

Beauty just "is". A woman either appeals to men or they don't. I don't care about "conforming", I'm just agreeing with Gary what Gary said that "most" lesbians are either oh my God ugly or there is an underlying reason that they are in a homosexual relationship. Considering there are half as many gay women as men and of those that claim to be gay, the "lifetime lesbian" is also a minority, there has to be a difference there.

And that's the kind of woman that I like. But many women fell most attractive hiding behind makeup. Not my thing. If I wanted a clown, I'd go to the circus.

We call them LUGs. Lesbian until graduation.
Yes, they exist. No, they are not lesbian. They are bisexual.

I wouldn't (and didn't) say it NEVER happens.
I would say that it is rare, but definitely not unheard of.

Even if you consider it a deviance, it is still part of reality. It doesn't matter that it is part of reality that you disapprove of or do not understand. It is still reality. My statement about my conforming to reality just as much as the next person still stands.

Even though your whole prior post was about conforming?

... to straight men.

That underlying reason would be because they are attracted to women.
No big mystery there.

Oh, I agree, there is definitely a difference. Whatever is responsible for making a man gay is not exactly the same thing that is responsible for making a woman gay.

Once again, we are in full agreement here. Use of makeup, especially excessive makeup, is a symptom of the underlying problem: the unrealistic expectations that mainstream media puts on women to be (look) perfect, and that if a woman does NOT look perfect, she will be shunned and looked down upon, and spend her life alone and unloved.

I've noticed that many men don't feel the need to conform to physical standards (which are much more lax/realistic for men than for women), yet expect women to do so.

It's a ridiculous double standard.