Defending the Truth

Whatever.

Precisely

Torture?? That isnt torture. We put our own service people through it. Why is it ok to put our own people through it, our sons and daughters, but not terrorists?? Now the terrorists with there saws, blow torches, plyer's, hammers, spikes, ect ect, they perform torture.

Lets say through wbing we discovered that there are several suit case nukes in say 7 major cities in the US, gave exact detail, and we were able to stop the killing of millions of our people. Was it worth it then??

WOW, you libs are trully blind. Hate us more?? They cant hate us any more, they represent hate, violence, murder.

And we don't? Are you so blind that you can only see one side? And to answer yuor question, no, I don't think it's worth it to torture people. Absolutley no.

You don't think invading a country that was in no way a threat to us, and blowing up thousands upon thousands of innocent people is wrong? You don't see how that might blow back in our faces? You would support the policies of this administration that got us into this mess and has steadily fomented hatred for our country all over the world?

You dont think 3mins of water boarding that does zero harm to the individual, isnt worth the lives of millions?? Thats sad. Whats sadder still, you cant even muster the same respect for life when it comes to murding innocent unborn children.


Right here is a prime example on why we will eventualy lose to this enemy. You dont understand war at all. And you really dont understand this enemy. This isnt a war that we started, it is a war that was brought to our shores. So we set up camp in a ME country and let the terrorist come to us, all the while freeing a people from a terrible dictator. The only reason it has had failures is cause of PC folks like you holding us back from doing what must be done. War is hell, but at times its nesessary. If that had happened back in WW2 days, we would own damn near the entire ME by now.

So, it's necessary to invade a country that did nothing to us, so the terrorists fight us there? I guess those Iraqis aren't entitled to be safe from terrorists? And there is no way that waterboarding is going to save the lives of millions. That is a crock. Who are you to say that waterboarding does no harm? Have you been waterboarded? Simulated drowning is harmless? And that terrible dictator actually gave women the chance to have an education and a career. Not to mention that we are the ones who propped up that terrible dictator so he could fight Iran. It seems to me that your understanding of war and this enemy is not very good. The reason they hate us is due to our presence in those countries, so that we can insure that the oil flow doesn't dry up. And that we provide security to the House of Saud, which the extremists would like to be rid of. And of course our support for Israel. And of course for the very arrogance that you have shown, in the way that Americans assume the world is ours to with whatever we like. And the hell that is Iraq, was not necessary.

As for your murdering of innocent children comment, how many innocent children who are already born have been killed in Iraq? You don't have a problem killing them once they're here, only before they're born. That is a very strange way to respect life.

If this is a war where the goal is to win, then yes its nesessary.
Even better, there are entitled to be free from a horrible dictator, who tortured, and murdered millions of his own people with WMD's. The goal isnt to let terrorists run Iraq, but to crush them.
Why is that a crock?? You think if there where such a plan, that they would just tell us cause they were in jail??
Yes, it is harmless. We do it to OUR OWN SERVICE MEN. We dont put them through anything that we dont expect the very men and women that protect us to go through.
Do you really want open SH's resume in leading Iraq?? Trust me, no you dont.

Had we known what type of leader he would become, we wouldnt have. NTM that just makes us all the more responcible to remove him.

Maybe so, but I understand enough not to lay down to this enemy, unlike you.
The only presents we had in the ME (until the iraq war) was with allies. We had no presents in Iraq, Iran, Syria, ect ect. We are only in places were we are welcome to be. Places like SA, KW, Israel, ect ect. Why would they hate us for being in countries that welcome us there?? They hate us cause we support Israel, and wont let them commit the next holocaust. Which they have already tried to 3 times now. "For 3 transgressions even for four, behold the city of Damascus will be taken away from being a city, it shall be a ruinous heap"

Of course we support SA, we have interest there. Without the flow of SA oil, our entire way of life will get thrown back into the 1800's. Its in our best interests that SA is stabble. Do you like driving your car, or heating your house?? When you are ready to give all that up, then you can talk to me in a moraly superior way, till then, keep racking up those miles.
I most certainly DO have a problem with it. I just see it from a better point of view, and place blame where it belongs. I blame the cowerds who want to fight a war with out a uniform, and hide among women and children. You defend a people who's GOAL is to kill women and children. How many women and children have died in Iraq at the hands of terrorists?? These people BOMB THERE OWN CHURCHES.

Then why are Muslims so into torture and beating their wives? Glass houses.

Yes, America should learn from that shining beacon called Pakistan.