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Old 06-09-2008, 04:59 PM   #11 (permalink)
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That would be fine with me. I'd be one of the "producers". I wouldn't want to be anyone's pet. I'm just saying that those that make huge amounts of money should be required to give some of it to those that need it. Or maybe to starving kids in Africa or something. I know that's an ideal, though. Real people are more like you and want to keep everything they have no matter how much other people are suffering.
Well I just don't think it is governments job to play Robin Hood, those earning high salaries should pay higher taxes and should have tax relief for charity donations to those in need.

Redistribution of wealth is just wrong because compassion belongs at family, church and community level. In the 1960's there were welfare states because the states provided welfare and some gave out more bennies than other states... hoards of government barnacles would travel to the state where the most handouts came. Then the federal government said, hey that's messed up I bet we can mess it up even better, and they did.

The federal government doesn't need to do anything for the states that the states can do for themselves. The states don't need to do anything for the counties that they can do for themselves. Compassion belongs close to family, church and community and when it is exported beyond that environment dictators in Africa get rich and some puke in some city that doesn't deserve compassion takes the check while others are stepped over in doorways because it's the governments problem.
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Old 06-09-2008, 05:25 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I have taken formal philosophy classes, but I was not able to do so until college. Most of high school constituted a stultification of creativity and critical thinking. Most of what I learned of value was on my own.

By the way, I enjoy your posts a lot. They lay out the importance of critical thinking and of philosophy very well.



What do you mean? Presumably, critical thinking leads to more logical outcomes than the absence of it.



Money is a form of capital, and capital is merely stored-up labor. Whether wages increase or decrease is irrelevant in an exploitative system where the worker is alienated from the product of his labor and his "species-being". It would be like arguing for slavery merely because the standard of living has increased (and indeed, Southerners did use such an argument).

Under what context are you saying wages have increased? In actuality the income gap has not only increased in the United States but it has also increased globally. Since the advent of capitalistic globalization, the poorest in the world are forced to live on less while the capitalists (i.e. those who are accumulating the capital [exploited labor]) have increased their profits.

If you're saying that America as a society has gained in capital then you're right. I think it's obvious, being the world economic super power. All that means is we're just exploiting more people. It would match the data too, considering the third world has gotten poorer. America is dealing with the absurdity of overabundance while the third world riots over a food crisis.




It depends. This is a source of debate with myself. In short, is it better to take your problems to the labor board or to your union? This is the main source of division among the left. I think it's circumstantial and particular to the country in question. To me, how it's done is irrelevant so long as a democratic society is secured where the workers own the means of production, non-exploitative property is available, alienation is a thing of the past to a degree as much as possible, and the necessities of life are shared.

Do you starve your kids out of fear they will turn fat, dumb, and lazy?
No, but if you had three kids would you allow them to overrule the will of the parents?

The best government is a small government that stays the hell out of my life and pocketbook.

For employers, if I don't like my employer then either the employer is unfair or I have made an incorrect assessment of our arrangement. In either case you only go around once so simply leave and find new employment or start your own. Service industry is easy to start, I suggest some thing with three A's so it hits the search engine on the Yellow pages first. Unions suck and give employees a false sense of security. I remember the CA long-shore strike in Bush's first term, it seemed the port authority wanted to transition from pencil and paper to a bar code system and the union had a problem with that. They almost canceled Christmas but a compromise was made that was acceptable to both sides... I think the eighth grader dock workers start out at $84,000 and average $182,000 plus benefits now. But now Mexico and Canada will be doing more and more of the work, imagine that?

If you want free medical run for congress or join the military or other government job. If you want medical care buy it, because there is no such thing as free health care... the money comes from tax.

We are running out of slaves, soon Korea, China and India will be like Japan with an improved standard of living. China is setting up power in Africa, the last bounty of cheap labor. You are right America enjoys bounty at the costs of our slaves and I don't agree to it. There is no political party willing to run for office saying I'll assure "all" a fair wage but it may mean you will have to pay $15 for a head of lettuce. The Demwits set minimum wage laws and what is the first thing they do? They "slave qualify" the law saying "non-farm payrolls" as if farm labor is justifiable slavery. What party? What party indeed will represent "all the people"?
Old 06-12-2008, 12:21 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Well I just don't think it is governments job to play Robin Hood, those earning high salaries should pay higher taxes and should have tax relief for charity donations to those in need.

Redistribution of wealth is just wrong because compassion belongs at family, church and community level. In the 1960's there were welfare states because the states provided welfare and some gave out more bennies than other states... hoards of government barnacles would travel to the state where the most handouts came. Then the federal government said, hey that's messed up I bet we can mess it up even better, and they did.

The federal government doesn't need to do anything for the states that the states can do for themselves. The states don't need to do anything for the counties that they can do for themselves. Compassion belongs close to family, church and community and when it is exported beyond that environment dictators in Africa get rich and some puke in some city that doesn't deserve compassion takes the check while others are stepped over in doorways because it's the governments problem.
Why should the rich get tax breaks for giving to charity? They should give because they WANT to give, not because they get it all back at the end of the year!
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Old 06-13-2008, 06:09 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Why should the rich get tax breaks for giving to charity? They should give because they WANT to give, not because they get it all back at the end of the year!
The rich should not be punished for being charitable no more than middle or low income people. Low and middle income people may reduce their income for tax purposes by 10% for church contributions and then if they decide to give to a non-profit, Red Cross for example they can take that off their income. Why shouldn't the same rule apply to those with higher income? For those earning large amounts of money a charity contribution would have to be quite large to make a difference from their taxable income.
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Then in that case, charities would have to be clearly defined in the law as institutions that actually do something for those who are suffering. None of the usual type that the rich like to give to, the Carnegie Mellon Foundation, or the Harvard University Alumnus, or the Metropolitam Museum, etc. Because that is where much of the wealthy put their charitable dollars, and receive the tax benefits for soing so. I think poor families need culture to, but food is a higher priority. And if the rich want to fund their institutions like the ones above, they shouldn't receive the tax benefits for it.
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Then in that case, charities would have to be clearly defined in the law as institutions that actually do something for those who are suffering. None of the usual type that the rich like to give to, the Carnegie Mellon Foundation, or the Harvard University Alumnus, or the Metropolitam Museum, etc. Because that is where much of the wealthy put their charitable dollars, and receive the tax benefits for soing so. I think poor families need culture to, but food is a higher priority. And if the rich want to fund their institutions like the ones above, they shouldn't receive the tax benefits for it.
Where do you get your opinions? Many wealthy Americans have been generous with their wealth. Yes, I'll admit many other were tight but the majority are very giving... The Atlantic Philanthropies | Atlantic: about: The Billionaire Who Wasn't: archive: Out of Sight, Till Now, and Giving Away Billions

Most Americans think people shouldn't go hungry but most Americans believe in self reliance. Americans are the most compassionate people in the world giving more than any other nation when people are in need. How can you forget all the contributions given to the world during natural disasters?

We open soup kitchens for the homeless but will step over them if they sleep on the sidewalk. A rich person nor a poor person will adopt a homeless because it isn't human nature. Being poor is not a right to someone of wealth's wallet.
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The rich aren't entitled to tax breaks for contributing to "charities" that don't help those in need. So I don't know what you are disagreeing with me about, I said nothing about Americans not being charitable. And compassion usually means that you care for those suffering no matter how they got to be where they are.
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The rich aren't entitled to tax breaks for contributing to "charities" that don't help those in need. So I don't know what you are disagreeing with me about, I said nothing about Americans not being charitable. And compassion usually means that you care for those suffering no matter how they got to be where they are.
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think poor families need culture to, but food is a higher priority. And if the rich want to fund their institutions like the ones above, they shouldn't receive the tax benefits for it.
The government makes the rules what is a tax exempt gift.

Poor people have no right to be given money from the rich nor culture from the rich. Poor people have the right to life liberty and pursuit of happiness. If you have a problem about tax exemptions then you should write your lawmaker to have the rules changed or otherwise just suck it up because you are probably wrong to disparage giving to higher learning institutions.
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Yes, we should give to institutins of higher learning that 90% of the country can't afford to attend. More and more bull fom you. And you are right, it is the government's job to make the tax laws, and I do vote accordingly.
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Yes, we should give to institutins of higher learning that 90% of the country can't afford to attend. More and more bull fom you. And you are right, it is the government's job to make the tax laws, and I do vote accordingly.
Compassion does not belong in government, especially federal government. Compassion belongs in the family, church and community.

If I feel like it I help people... If the government does it they help people that don't always need or deserve help. All compassion needs to be close to home where you can sort out the dead weight.

I don't care how Bill Gates spends his money and he shouldn't concern himself how I spend mine.
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