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Old 04-17-2007, 09:39 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I'll give that video 4 out of 10

A country has a right to defend itself against attack as well as defend her allies. I do believe that America uses excessive military force way too much but I don't think it turned into the 4th reich. I am intrested in learning how Britain has helped out in the middle east and in Africa. What amazing things have they done to prevent conflicts? The Pacific and South y Central America are our problems and I don't expect them to do anything about them but Europe hasn't exactly had a history of lending a hand to others.
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Old 04-17-2007, 09:40 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I dont even think Bush knows his left from his right
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I'll give that video 4 out of 10

A country has a right to defend itself against attack as well as defend her allies.
Unfortunately, what we do in the world has little to do with our actual defense, or that of our 'allies'.

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I do believe that America uses excessive military force way too much but I don't think it turned into the 4th reich.
Not all fascism looks like Hitler.

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I am intrested in learning how Britain has helped out in the middle east and in Africa. What amazing things have they done to prevent conflicts? The Pacific and South y Central America are our problems and I don't expect them to do anything about them but Europe hasn't exactly had a history of lending a hand to others.
The US hasn't had any more of a history of benevolence in Latin America or Africa than European states; in fact in many instances (especially in Latin America) we were multiple times worse than any form of past European colonialism.

And the Middle East: what have we done to prevent conflicts? We have a sensational appetite for exacerbating mid-east conflict, as well as terrorism against us and our allies. You can sit back and support neo-imperialism by this military industrial-complex all you want, but all it's going to end up doing is killing and oppressing others while causing more hatred toward our country around the world.
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I do believe that America uses excessive military force way too much but I don't think it turned into the 4th reich.
Nah more like the 401st Legion(wonder how many people will get that )
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I think this particular administration's fascist routes aren't so much in the Christian right as it is in corporatism...more specifically in 'war corporatism'. Mussolini himself described fascism as corporatism.

This describes it well:

YouTube - War Corporatism: The New Fascism



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My bad. I'm word dyslexic some times. I meant right.
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I'll give that video 4 out of 10

A country has a right to defend itself against attack as well as defend her allies. I do believe that America uses excessive military force way too much but I don't think it turned into the 4th reich. I am intrested in learning how Britain has helped out in the middle east and in Africa. What amazing things have they done to prevent conflicts? The Pacific and South y Central America are our problems and I don't expect them to do anything about them but Europe hasn't exactly had a history of lending a hand to others.
Do you think invading Iraq was defending ourselves against attack?
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The US hasn't had any more of a history of benevolence in Latin America or Africa than European states; in fact in many instances (especially in Latin America) we were multiple times worse than any form of past European colonialism.

And the Middle East: what have we done to prevent conflicts? We have a sensational appetite for exacerbating mid-east conflict, as well as terrorism against us and our allies. You can sit back and support neo-imperialism by this military industrial-complex all you want, but all it's going to end up doing is killing and oppressing others while causing more hatred toward our country around the world.

I wasn't saying we were better than them, I'm pretty sure we're worse. I just don't think a European should be calling us evil and act like they are the victim.

We have way more than Europe since most of the Latin American countries gained their independence.

I don't support how the MIC create conflicts but once America is attacked or an ally is attacked it doesn't matter how it started we have a duty to protect ourselves or our ally. I think the government needs to rethink how we go about doing this.
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Do you think invading Iraq was defending ourselves against attack?
EXACTLY!!!!!
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Do you think invading Iraq was defending ourselves against attack?
I said that every time America uses millitary force it's not just to be an imperialistic evil nation. I didn't justify every attack by the US.
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I said that every time America uses millitary force it's not just to be an imperialistic evil nation. I didn't justify every attack by the US.
I understand that, but the reasons behind the attack, and the twisting of intel, were evidence of the facism we were talking about. At the least, evidence of invasion for capitalism.
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