tyreay

waitingtables is here explaining what she does to help people and has stated that the money going to the NGO isn't going through the government in anyway. Unless you have some proof of this being untrue I would suggest that it would be much more like an actual 'niceman' to actually be nice to her. Please.

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pensacola_niceman

My posts are not intended to be unkind to her. I really believe aid to Africa is a waste and I'm posting the reasons why. I have no way to prove where her money is actually going, but have a strong belief it's not helping the genocide victims she thinks it is.

Waitingtables: what proof do you have that your money is really going to where it is intended?

tyreay

A much better approach. Thanks.

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Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour

There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville

pensacola_niceman

FUNDING A DICTATOR'S PALACE IS NOT A JOKE - IN DAFUR NO LESS. Read on:

Last week China's leader, Hu Jintao, provided Sudan with an interest-free loan to build a presidential palace. With that gesture, Hu demonstrated his contempt for the Western understanding of the world -- and for Western policy toward his own country.
Sudan, you will recall, is the scene of the Darfur genocide. Since the killing began three years ago, the United States and its allies have flown in food and medicines, provided logistical help and money for a token African peacekeeping force, and done their best to isolate the Sudanese regime, which orchestrates the massacres. They have done this not because they have a selfish interest in Darfur but because tossing babies into bonfires is a crime against humanity.

Sebastian Mallaby - A Palace For Sudan - washingtonpost.com

waitingtables

That is China, not the grassroots organizations providing materials, food, medicine, etc. That is the main reason that nothing is changing in Darfur. China does big oil business with the Sudanese government, and they would only alter their behavior if China placed pressure on them to do so. China won't do that because they have no care for human rights or violating human rights.

tyreay

If anything, you just supported reasoning as to why the people of Darfur need more help.
I would say it also shows the ignorance of our government to allow this to take place there and the asininity of us becoming so indebted to China.

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Politics, it seems to me, for years, or all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour

There are many men of principle in both parties in America, but there is no party of principle. ~Alexis de Tocqueville

pensacola_niceman

Dictators need new cars too.

Samuel Doe came to power in a bloody 1980 coup, a Master Sergeant in military gear. Today, he
is a self-made General in a suit, living on US aid and corporate kickbacks. But while Doe and his
cronies live in luxury, the rest of Liberia dwells in squalor. Under his regime, the gross domestic
product has decreased by 13%, the country's health statistics are among the world's worst, 80% of
the population is illiterate, all opposition parties but one were forbidden to participate in the 1985
national elections, and those who protest these inequities are jailed or killed. Doe, a pro-American
anti-communist, received $500 million in U.S. aid between 1980 and 1985. When Congress
threatened to cut off funds because of Liberia's human rights abuses, Doe requested "American
financial advice" as a show of good will. The U.S. sent 17 accountants, bank examiners, and
economists to help Doe balance his budget, but they realized a difficult task lay ahead when they
learned that Doe had purchased over sixty $60,000 Mercedes Benz cars for his government
ministers and had given the Liberian soccer team $1 million for winning a match against rival Ghana.
Ultimately Doe refused to allow access to records concerning 40% of Liberia's funds, for this
"second budget", revenues from gasoline and lodging taxes, goes directly into the President's bank
account. The American advisors returned home in 1989, mission not accomplished, and Samuel
Doe remains in office, despite early 1990 rumblings of rebel plots against him.

pensacola_niceman

Yes, they do need help. I'm trying to point out that throwing money at them is not the way to do it because it always ends up in the hands of corrupt government officials to buy palaces and cars.

pensacola_niceman

Governments or small grassroots organizations - it matters not - aid money always ends up in the hands of the small corrupt elite.

waitingtables

no it doesn't always end up that way. Yes some inevitably does when it is given to a government to supply aid to the people. But none of these organizations are giving money to the person responsible for the genocide. The president is the one allowing the genocide to take place and actually calling for the Arab Moslem Janjaweed militia to kill the black Moslem's of Darfur.