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Old 01-18-2008, 06:24 AM   #11 (permalink)
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The Commission on UN Human Rights as a Case Study

The Commission on Human Rights, comprised of a rotating membership of fifty-three member states, typically singles out Israel for discriminatory treatment in at least seven different ways:
1. The Commission's agenda devotes a special item to censuring Israel.
2. The Commission's debates disproportionately focus on condemning Israel.
3. The Commission's resolutions against Israel equal the combined total of country-specific resolutions adopted against all other countries in the world.
4. The Commission's independent experts subject Israel to irrational scrutiny and criticism.
5. The Commission bars Israel from participation in the regional group system, and thereby from membership in the Commission itself.
6. The Commission's emergency special sessions and special sittings are disproportionately dedicated to condemning Israel.
7. The Commission's NGO panel events single out Israel for special condemnation

The Struggle against Anti-Israel Bias at the UN Commission on Human Rights - Hillel C. Neuer



Now, mabey you could share your views on the 6 day war. Give us a little back ground as to what happened and why.
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Old 01-18-2008, 05:53 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The Commission on UN Human Rights as a Case Study

The Commission on Human Rights, comprised of a rotating membership of fifty-three member states, typically singles out Israel for discriminatory treatment in at least seven different ways:
1. The Commission's agenda devotes a special item to censuring Israel.
2. The Commission's debates disproportionately focus on condemning Israel.
3. The Commission's resolutions against Israel equal the combined total of country-specific resolutions adopted against all other countries in the world.
4. The Commission's independent experts subject Israel to irrational scrutiny and criticism.
5. The Commission bars Israel from participation in the regional group system, and thereby from membership in the Commission itself.
6. The Commission's emergency special sessions and special sittings are disproportionately dedicated to condemning Israel.
7. The Commission's NGO panel events single out Israel for special condemnation

The Struggle against Anti-Israel Bias at the UN Commission on Human Rights - Hillel C. Neuer
Has it ever occurred to you the possibility that the reason why various international human rights commissions are concerned about Israel isn't because they're anti-semitic or any rubbish of the sort, but because Israel commonly violates human rights??

And anyway, that is hardly evidence (let alone objective) that Israel has been singled out more than any other country.


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Now, mabey you could share your views on the 6 day war. Give us a little back ground as to what happened and why.
I don't have time to give a history lecture. In Israel-Arab tensions the Egyptians mobilized some of their military forces onto the Israeli border. Israel launched a "pre-emptive" attack, prompting the open hostilities between them. It ended with Israel occupying various Arab lands to which this day they not only continue to occupy but illegally settle and colonize, and engage in other international law and human rights violations.
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Old 01-19-2008, 04:55 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Has it ever occurred to you the possibility that the reason why various international human rights commissions are concerned about Israel isn't because they're anti-semitic or any rubbish of the sort, but because Israel commonly violates human rights??

And anyway, that is hardly evidence (let alone objective) that Israel has been singled out more than any other country.
The whole world is aware that there are many country's that have WAY worse civil right problems, yet it is Israel who is singled out, time and time again. Its litteraly super natural. Writting resolution after resoultion, while there is genocide in dafar, all kinds of religious persecution in ME countries, all kinds of women abuse in ME countries, that cant even come close to comparison. The horror that goes on in NK would turn a goats stomach, yet Israel has more resolutions against her than any of these countries combined. If you dont see a serious freaking problem with that, then you got some serious problems to begin with.

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I don't have time to give a history lecture. In Israel-Arab tensions the Egyptians mobilized some of their military forces onto the Israeli border. Israel launched a "pre-emptive" attack, prompting the open hostilities between them. It ended with Israel occupying various Arab lands to which this day they not only continue to occupy but illegally settle and colonize, and engage in other international law and human rights violations.
You forgot to add Syria, and Jordan. Arabs in the MILLIONS surounded Israel to illegaly commit the next holocaust. Israel won that land in a fair fight. The Arabs provoked Israel to fight for its very survival, with out the land they abtained during the Arabs attempted slaughter, they cannot defend there boarders. There is no Illegal occupation. The bottom line is dont start a war if you cant handle what the outcome brings. NEVER AGAIN.
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And the craziest part is, what human rights Israel is being blamed for, they only do for there own protection. If they werent being attacked EVERY single day by rocket fire, none of this would even be going on. Yet we dont see one single "resolution" condeming palistine for allowing every terrorist org in the region set up camp, and attack Israel. How the hell is that possible???? Hmmmm
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The whole world is aware that there are many country's that have WAY worse civil right problems, yet it is Israel who is singled out, time and time again. Its litteraly super natural. Writting resolution after resoultion, while there is genocide in dafar, all kinds of religious persecution in ME countries, all kinds of women abuse in ME countries, that cant even come close to comparison. The horror that goes on in NK would turn a goats stomach, yet Israel has more resolutions against her than any of these countries combined. If you dont see a serious freaking problem with that, then you got some serious problems to begin with.
You're still spouting unsubstantiated nonsense. It is completely inane to paint the very misleading picture that Israel is singled out more than any of those countries, especially considering many of them (North Korea especially) have been essentially severed from world civilization, while Israel still enjoys the benefits of obscene financial and military support from the West.

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You forgot to add Syria, and Jordan. Arabs in the MILLIONS surounded Israel to illegaly commit the next holocaust.
Actually if I'm not mistaken, the original Egyptian mobilization that allegedly provoked the war only numbered 100,000. I believe the entire Arab commitment though the course of the war wasn't even 500,000.

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Israel won that land in a fair fight. The Arabs provoked Israel to fight for its very survival, with out the land they abtained during the Arabs attempted slaughter, they cannot defend there boarders. There is no Illegal occupation. The bottom line is dont start a war if you cant handle what the outcome brings. NEVER AGAIN.
Please. It wasn't a one-way war; you're confusing Hitler with the Arabs. The Israelis had an equal part in it; in actuality it was the Israelis to fire first. As an occupation they have to abide by international law, which they have violated many times. Even the United States "officially" condemns Israeli settlements (though actions speak louder than words when they supply them with finances and military equipment). The reason why the United States officially condemns it is because they have to if they don't want to be implicated in encouraging rogue lawlessness and war crimes.
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And the craziest part is, what human rights Israel is being blamed for, they only do for there own protection.
That's the same bullshit every war criminal says.

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If they werent being attacked EVERY single day by rocket fire, none of this would even be going on. Yet we dont see one single "resolution" condeming palistine for allowing every terrorist org in the region set up camp, and attack Israel. How the hell is that possible???? Hmmmm
Don't be so simplistic. Rockets land on Israel indiscriminately because shells and bombs land on Palestine and Lebanon indiscriminately. And terrorist organizations aren't condemned by the international community?? Are you high?
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You're still spouting unsubstantiated nonsense. It is completely inane to paint the very misleading picture that Israel is singled out more than any of those countries, especially considering many of them (North Korea especially) have been essentially severed from world civilization, while Israel still enjoys the benefits of obscene financial and military support from the West.
See striaght supernatural. I just proved to you that Israel has been singled out by the UN human rights group more than any single nation COMBINED. NK doesnt get off the hook cause of isolation, we are talking about a INTERNATIONAL HUMAN RIGHTS group. THAT MEANS THEY ARE SUPPOSSED TO STOP INHUMANITY ACROSS THE GLOBE. What about SA, Iran, Leb, PA, ECT ECT many of whom are PART OF THE UN HUMAN RIGHTS GROUP. Are we seriously led to believe that Israel is so far behind these countries in human rights that they deserve double the resolutions then ALL COMBINED???? IRAN KILLS HOMOSEXUALS. Where is the resolution condemming them?????

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Actually if I'm not mistaken, the original Egyptian mobilization that allegedly provoked the war only numbered 100,000. I believe the entire Arab commitment though the course of the war wasn't even 500,000.
DateJune 5, 1967June 10, 1967LocationMiddle EastResultDecisive Israeli victoryTerritorial
changesIsrael captured the Gaza Strip and the Sinai Peninsula from Egypt, the West Bank (including East Jerusalem) from Jordan, and the Golan Heights from Syria.Combatants Israel Egypt
Syria
Jordan
IraqCommanders Yitzhak Rabin,
Moshe Dayan,
Uzi Narkiss,
Israel Tal,
Mordechai Hod,
Ariel Sharon Abdel Hakim Amer,
Abdul Munim Riad,
Zaid ibn Shaker,
Hafez al-AssadStrength264,000 (incl. 214,000 reserve troops)
300 combat aircraft
800 tanks [1]Egypt: 240,000
Syria, Jordan, Lebanon and Iraq:307,000
957 combat aircraft
2,504 tanks[2]Casualties and losses779 killed,
2,563 wounded,
15 prisoners,
46 aircraft lost[3]
(official casualties)21,000 killed,
45,000 wounded,
6,000 prisoners
over 400 aircraft destroyed

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Please. It wasn't a one-way war; you're confusing Hitler with the Arabs. The Israelis had an equal part in it; in actuality it was the Israelis to fire first. As an occupation they have to abide by international law, which they have violated many times. Even the United States "officially" condemns Israeli settlements (though actions speak louder than words when they supply them with finances and military equipment). The reason why the United States officially condemns it is because they have to if they don't want to be implicated in encouraging rogue lawlessness and war crimes.


How do you figure it wasnt a one way war???? Under what authority did Egyp have the right to attempt to destroy Israel???? That land was given to them by the world body, Israel did nothing to provoke the surrounding arabs other than being Jewish.

And of cousre Israel fired first, they were being told they were about to be pushed into the sea, as they watched troops and equipment being stacked on there boarder. We are talking about a peoples right to exist, what else could they do, sit back and wait for the arabs to decide the right time for the next holocaust???
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"Don't be so simplistic. Rockets land on Israel indiscriminately because shells and bombs land on Palestine and Lebanon indiscriminately. And terrorist organizations aren't condemned by the international community?? Are you high?"


WOW, im amazed at your ignorance. Every single time the arabs called for a end to the bombings, they were the first to break it. Israel wants peace. Israel wants security. Israel doesnt want to have to endure constant rocket attacks, but who can blame them for retailating against TERRORIST that do just that? Countries dont bomb Israel, TERRORIST do. And hide among women and children to get the world on there side when Israel destroys them.

No other country in the world would be expected to put up with its neighbors what Israel is expected to put up with. Jews have no problem with the existance of Arabs. Its arabs who have a problem with the existance of Jews. And if that isnt true, then why does nearly every one of her nieghbors have in there goverment policies, not to even recognize Israels right to exist??? Israel has no such policy tward any of them.

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That's the same bullshit every war criminal says.

For example????????????????
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I don't have to. You're the one making the claim; the onus is on you.



From the outcome of the Six-Day War.

Where's the rule that says Israel must return land they accidentally acquired (miraculously) when their enemies lose a war they started?? As I recall, about 5 countries came against Israel and they LOST!!! They were expecting to level a bloodbath in Israel and they got surprised!!!

Afterwards, they were crying, "Boohoo!!! Israel took land that belonged to us!!" And the U.N. tells Israel, "you have to give it back". No one BUT Israel has ever been required to give back land won in a war waged against them! The "peacemakers" said, "Give it back for peace." Did Israel ever get peace?? Their enemies should have thought of that before they decided to go to war with her, but they didn't because they were sure they would destroy Israel!!! They were WRONG! and Katczinsky is wrong!

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