waitingtables

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Most women go into prostitution because of greed, laziness, a lack of moral values and a callous desire to exploit men's weaknesses for money.

This quote from you speaks volumes about your psyche. You truly feel that men are weak and women are the dominators of your willpower and lives. Punishing mother? Adulterous father? Wow. Have you ever bothered to familiarise yourself with history? About the economic conditions realtive to gender? About statistics on women and poverty? Your lack of empathy for women in bad situations and the children that are usually along for the ride is antithetical to your religious views. You are calling women the exploiters in this scenario, and I can only assume that you have no real first hand experience in doing what you have to do to survive in the world. Talk about holier than thou. And mightily conflicted, I'd say.

garysher

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waitingtables

And do you think that they would earn enough money working at a minimum wage job, without health care insurance? It's amazing what people are willing to pay a lot of money for, but trust me, it isn't going to be unskilled labor. Unfortunately, sometimes prostitution is a much more lucrative profession. Sometimes, there are no alternatives, but you know that because of the vast amount of life experience you've got, right?

My inferences into your feelings about women are drawn entirely from your statements about them. It is very easy to see that you have issues with them. And if everything is women's fault, you clearly give them more power then you give men.

garysher

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Baloney, Gary. You are constantly referring to women in a derogatory fashion, as evil temptresses, thieves, shallow, stupid, lazy and greedy. I don't consider it to be greedy when you are concerned with feeding or clothing your children, or yourself for that matter. As I said before, you should really be taking up this issue with all of the men, who cannot or will not care for their families properly, and rather than doing whatever it takes, simply split and leave it all to the greedy, lazy women to cope with. And I'd like to see the proof concerning your "proven" facts about "certain" people.

garysher

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I'm saying that prostitutes are lazy and greedy. Otherwise they would get a regular job instead of resorting to crime and the exploitation of others. The proof that prostitutes are greedy and lazy is simply the fact that the other 99% of woman are working honest jobs for honest pay - and still keeping their families. Why are you so eager to take sides with these vile woman and their morally bankrupt behaviours? What would happen if we all turned to crime to provide for our families??

If I had no other choice but to commit a crime to feed my children, I would. And I would do it in the smartest way I could. But I think many prostitutes are drug addicts and women who have been previously victimised by men, whether it was as a child or as a wife. Most women would not ever choose that, but some have been abused and believe that their entire being is about sex. Surely you cannot label all prostitutes as greedy lazy women. There will always be a percentage of women who do it because it is the most lucrative, least time consuming career available to them. But I think that they are the minority, and that it is women who are addicts, abuse vitims and the like who are in fact prostitutes you seen walking the street.

I certainly would not call them vile or morally bankrupt. Your morals might be very different if you were to walk in one of their shoe's for a while, or any one's shoes who has experienced the darker side of life.

garysher

I would probably get sore calves walking in those high heels!

Again - you seem very eager to make excuses. Why can't the victims of abuse be even more vigilant against abusing others?

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I am a victim of abuse, and I have never been nor would I be a prostitute. But that doesn't mean that I am morally superior to someone else who would. Not all victims of abuse come to any important realizations that changes their lives. Some are destroyed by it, or are so severely wounded so that they cannot maintain a "normal" life. I have empathy for them, because I understand how hard it is to survive in a world where people don't really care about you. Not everyone has a family member they can rely on when they are alone. The world is a very nasty place when you are on the streets.

And of course I have issues with men. I have studied history in depth, and come to some conclusions of my own from my observations. Actually my opinions on men are very scientifically based. So I certainly will not deny that I have issues with the way that men have run the world and the methods they used to get and keep that power. But I also have issues with women who would do the same thing. Or with women who are raising these misogynistic men. There is plenty of blame to go round.

nuttyjoe

Now, I usually chide Gary for his "male-superiority" views; but he does bring up a good point. If we all were to resort to crime under the guise of "this is what I need to do to feed my family"; our society would fall into dissaray. Quite bluntly, two wrongs do not make a right!
Does this mean if a male drug dealer uses this as his defense when he is selling drugs on a school playground because he thinks that kids are a good market in which to sell drugs; we should go easy on him? Where do we draw the line?
I do believe in supporting one's family. But I also believe in the law.
I wouldn't spend too much more time debating on who's at fault in a bad relationship; because ultimately it will be up to the paties individually to go forward with their lives.