bfrazz1

I don't think she's lazy at all, prostitution and the acting that goes along with - not to mention self marketing and promotion - has got to be hard work IMHO.

bfrazz1

Millions of women are married prostitutes, living in loveless marriages in order to maintain the lifestyle they have grown accustomed to with their husbands. Millions of people engage in lawless activity to extract a living in society. And it could just as easily said that men are abusing women by taking advantage of their sexuality for their own lascivious needs.

nuttyjoe

Does this mean that those women just married a "wallet"; or a "lifestyle"?Society has changed somewhat from the '50's- a woman does not have to be barefoot, pregnant, and in the kitchen. She can choose to go after almost any field of employment she would wants to. There are plenty of female CEO's and in upper management positions. How do you think they got those jobs? I doubt that they all had to sleep with a man to do so.
I agree that many people engegage in lawless activity to extract a living in society. I do not, and will not, support illegality as a manner of lifestyle to embrace in order to live; be it prostitution, drug dealing, or any other crime you care to mention.
Now, I find myself wanting to substitute the word "using" for "abusing" in your comment; BFrazz. And again; when men pay for the services of a prostitute; they have commited a crime just as the prostitute did by taking the money. I make no distinctions-they have both commited a crime and should be prosecuted. I also agree with what you said about Spitzer.

waitingtables

I'm not on any crusade to legalize prostitution, I just support legalising it. And I did not blame Dupre's parents, I stated that she was accustomed to the lifestyle that they introduced her to. I don't think that women are abusing men when men buy sex from them, that is utterly ridiculous. And not all men who solicit prostitutes are married, many are single.

The reason that prostitution is considered immoral, is the due to biblical morality, where a woman's sexual goods are reserved until marriage or her father loses out on his reputation and whatever money or property he would receive from his daughter's suitor. I cannot understand how a book such as the bible has not drawn more criticism for the clear lack of morality demonstrated in it towards an entire half of humanity. And the morality in it enforcing women's sexual slavery to men was imposed to meet the economic requirements of a rigidly male dominant system in which property is transmitted from father to son and that the benefits from women's and children's labor accrue to the male. Any woman in the bible who behaves as a sexually and economically free person is a threat to the entire social and economic fabric of a rigidly male dominated society. Such behaviour cannot be countenanced or the entire social and economic system would fall apart. And that is why we hear of the most extreme social and religious condemnations and the most extreme punishments, like stoning to death the adulteress who has now tarnished her husbands reputation.

nuttyjoe

All of this sounds good, WT; but the fact today is that a woman can obtain a very good education and job just as a mab can today. The type of thought process you are talking about died probably about the time "Leave it to Beaver" (and June Cleaver) went off the air. Nowadays, there is no excuse for a woman not to be able to; other than her own choice not to.
During biblical times, what you said was definitely true; but not anymore. This 'feel sorry for me" attitude feeds way too many aspects of our society as it is now; It's time for people to stop looking for excuses for their falures and shortcomings, and trying to blame others for those failures and shortcomings. It's high time to spend a little more time in planning for successes!"
One cannot ever get forward by looking backward"! That was another important thing my father taught me as a young man. It was more in response to times when many Blacks were (and still do)cry that they can't have the opportunities in life that the White man has. He taught me that this was more of an excuse than a fact. And the only fact I needed to concern myself about was that I could have anything I desired, if I wanted it bad enough to make the effort to get it.

waitingtables

That is not my point at all, nuttyjoe. My point is that if a woman has something that someone wishes to purchase, it shouldn't be illegal to do so. And there are places in Nevada where prostitution is legal. I was giving you the societal reasons for the illegality of prostitution. One could say that it is immoral to sell alcohol, but prohibition ended a very long time ago. The illegality of prostitution is a remnant of biblical ideas about morality.
And why can't a woman make a career choice based on what she is good at doing. Whether that be as a corporate CEO or as a prostitute? Why can't she sell sex if it isn't against her morality? That is called persuing liberty, and is protected under the Constitution. No one forces anyone to buy something or engage in behavior they find immoral, why must others push their morality on everyone else?

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nuttyjoe

Again WT; I point to the letter of the law. I will also make the inane point of a man whom might be in an upper-level management position in a company. Should he be allowed to "sell" promotions for sexual favors to the females in the company? It's an inane and moot point because the actions are illegal.
I believe this may be Gary's point to you. You seem to be able accept a female selling her sexual charms to get ahead in this world; but how would you feel towards a man for using his position as that upper level management to obtain sex? My guess (and probably Gary's also) is that you would have a double-standard in your morals here. My point is; and always will be that the acts are both illegal and should be prosecuted. And my viewpoint comes strictly from the law; and not what morals I choose to have or obey.

waitingtables

Nutty, I don't think the CEO and the prostitute are comparable, so I'm not sure how to respond to that. Sounds like the CEO is guilty of sexual harrassment though. And Gary, again, there are male prostitutes as well as female. And I take note of how you worded your statement above, that I applaud the abuse of men by women, but I rail against the ALLEGED abuse of women, by men. As I said, it is you who are showing your true colors with those kinds of words. If you are unable to appreciate women's issues in a truthful, historical sense, then I'm just wasting time thinking that you are capable of grasping reality.
I'm glad that you are such a law abiding citizen nutty, but not everyone is, and some of those people have no problem paying for sex.

nuttyjoe

Of course the CEO mentioned above would be guilty of sexual harassment! But he has something the woman wants (the promotion) and he wants sex from her if she wants the promotion.
Is this illegal? Without a doubt. Is it immoral and disgusting? Of course. Should the CEO be punished? To the fullest extent of the law; in my opinion. But the two situations - while different in certain ways- are comparable in that one party uses their advantage to obtain what they want from the other party. Also, when those non-law-abiding people pay for sex; they are purchasing it from another non-law-abiding person whom is selling it.
I think this is becoming a "which came first, the chicken or the egg" discussions; WT. This is why I make no distinction other than both parties should be prosecuted; because both parties broke the law!
Of course you are entitled to your opinion. I can (and do) respect this from you; and everyone else here at DTT. We differ in our opinions; but you are more than welcome to express yours, as is everyone else.