[quote=highway80west;165919]I don't hate them at all Willie, more sympathy than hate.

Just trying to get the thread back on track after you hijacked it with your college basketball posts

[quote=garysher;165926]Well, if you have sympathy for them, I don't know if they would have sympathy for you.

Go back and see who h'jd the college basketball posts, G'sher.

That's a shame too. I don't carry any of this on outside of the forum. I have tried to be as clear as I can it's only a "marriage" thing with me, nothing more. No hate or ill will. If anyone can't understand that, it's on them.

[quote=garysher;165926]You could have fooled me about your definitions of hate and sympathy, Gary. You seem to forget that not too long ago that you introduced a thread with the foolish idea that women and homosexuals comprise most of the amount of the worst drivers. I really never got the point of your thread then; although it's clear to myself and others your obsession with women and gays. I just can't understand it; that's all.
I can at least respect FX's point. He doesn't agree with allowing "gay marraige", "same-sex marraige" or "civil unions". Whatever the terminology used; his thoughts are not indicative of any obsession or hatred.
The thread is not hijacked nor comprised in any way. My question to H80 was just that: a question to him. My feelings about Eliot Spitzer have not changed- nor will they: He brought this upon himself!

[quote=garysher;165926][quote=nuttyjoe;165945]Ignorant, Gary is, isn't he? BTW, I have so far a perfect showing for the tournament: 6 for 6. But there is a long way to go, pal.

[quote=nuttyjoe;165945]I agree and I have never defended Spitzer.

But I also reject the notion that women are always the victims in the prostitution game.

Most women go into prostitution because of greed, laziness, a lack of moral values and a callous desire to exploit men's weaknesses for money.

Maybe you are too brainwashed or guilt-ridden to see that? You have yet to come up with a counter-argument.

[quote=garysher;165949]I don't need a counter-argument , Gary. The same reasons you list as women's reasons for going into prostitution could be said to be the same reasons that their male clients have for indulging themselves here.
Both parties (prostitute and client) have commited a crime. I make no seperation of fault or blame. They are both wrong. You continue to fall back into the "woman is at fault" argument.
I think you are the one who may have the guilt problem. Like I said, see a shrink for your Oedipus issues. Maybe this is what has brainwahed you!

[quote=nuttyjoe;165960]Nope, I have never said that men are without fault on this issue.

I have said that men are responding to a neanderthal urge whilst women are exploiting them for doing so. This contrasts with the widely held view that all prostitutes are victims

[quote=garysher;165961]You are correct; but that "neaderthal urge" is not a defense. It is something all men have; and we must be the ones responsible for controlling it. It's not a matter of one exploiting the other. It's a simple matter of an individual being responsible for themself. It's that simple to me!
Widely held view? I haven't read of anyone defending prostitution in this thread; nor any others. Perhaps you might be so kind as to tell me of those who think this way. At best there could only be a select few, but I am totally at a loss as to where you got this point. Please refer me to such threads.

[quote=nuttyjoe;165945]Just to clarify, I don't mind legal recognition, just keep the terminology separate from "marriage".