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Originally Posted by Hio  And what I meant is that I dont really care if there is a heaven or hell, Jesus or Buddah, whatever. What I think is that there is something after you die. I can be spiritual in the sense as not believing in a HOLY spirit but there is a life after FOR spirits. Thats my meaning of spiritual. | That sounds like being a spiritual spectator - you go to the game but don't watch it, then you leave without knowing the score, because you can't bear the thought of being on the losing side!
Now that's enlightening!
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Originally Posted by tadpole256 I agree with Fluff...
Too many people associate Atheism with Non-spirituality. I am very spiritual, but I also consider myself an Atheist, because I do not believe in a Central Deity. | That's good Tad. You can indeed be spiritual without subscribing to any mainstream religion. However, some of us (like me) like a dose of Christianity now and then to enhance our thoughts and spirituality. I am not an atheist, but take a broad minded approach to understanding life and the universe. | 
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Originally Posted by garysher That sounds like being a spiritual spectator - you go to the game but don't watch it | How can I be a spectator if I dont watch anything? Now thats enlightening
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Originally Posted by Hio How can I be a spectator if I dont watch anything? Now thats enlightening | You don't watch anything because you aren't looking, even though it's all out there to be seen!
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| but you still dont answer it...you call me a spectator but i apparently dont watch anything....one contradics the other...Make sense Gary
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Originally Posted by Hio Agreeing with Fluff and Taddy...Im Atheist/Agnostic, little half and half Not sure whats up there if anything but am spiritual in the sense(does that make sense)?  | Yes, it makes sense. No one can really know "what is up there." You have faith for that. Your faith does not have to be explained or justified to anyone.
Personally, I worry about being a good person and leave the rest to the gods.
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Originally Posted by Fluffmeister The problem with Dawkins is that he has a "strawman" argument. He thinks that anyone who isn't an atheist must believe in a sort of bearded policeman in the sky called "God", and then provides arguments against that.
The truth of the matter is that many non-atheists have a totally different conception about what "God" means to them.
I think at the moment it isn't a question of traditional religions versus atheists, but traditional religions and atheists both getting nervous about the rise of what they see as "new age" philosophy. More and more people seem to be saying "I'm not religious, I'm spiritual" - and that pisses off traditional religions who see it as a dangerous trend, *and* the atheists who want their own hard-core scientific materialism to be justified. | This quote was said many, many times in the 60s and 70s. Those disenfranchised with denominational religions. Many escaped those religions using this idea, then decided to find god in their own fashion, which more often than not was an escape to evangelicalism.
I suppose there may be atheists described as you have described. We each have our small worlds in which we wrap ourselves.
But undoubtedly, the vast majority of those either believing or not believing in god could care less what others believe. | |
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| I think it is inevitable that these kind of movements will grow in strength and numbers as information is more readily available and shared via modern technology. It becomes much harder to shelter and brainwash people into believing in something, especially something with no objective proof, when other points of view become easily accessible.
Truth has a way of surfacing and one can only hope the future is filled with this kind of honesty.
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Originally Posted by hevusa I think it is inevitable that these kind of movements will grow in strength and numbers as information is more readily available and shared via modern technology.
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Are you talking about atheism or Al Qaeda?
The same is true of both movements, but it has no bearing on the validity of the movement
It becomes much harder to shelter and brainwash people into believing in something, especially something with no objective proof, when other points of view become easily accessible.
Truth has a way of surfacing and one can only hope the future is filled with this kind of honesty. |
Your description of Christians and other people of faith as "brainwashed" is offensive and reveals your deep insecurity.
Just becaue you are unable to take a step of faith, at least so far in your life, doesn't mean you shouldn't respect others who have taken that step.
Maybe one day you will get there too
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Originally Posted by garysher Are you talking about atheism or Al Qaeda? | What an idiotic question.
Nobody was talking about al qaeda.
Why the heck would you think he was talking about "al qaeda" when the thread's title, and the context of the earlier statement, was clearly talking about atheism.
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Originally Posted by garysher The same is true of both movements, but it has no bearing on the validity of the movement | But obviously not true of Christianity, eh?
Is information the anti-thesis of Christianity?
Or does information help Christianity, and thus in your opinion Christianity is similar to al Qaeda in that regard? Quote: |
Originally Posted by garysher Your description of Christians and other people of faith as "brainwashed" is offensive and reveals your deep insecurity. | No. It's fairly accurate for some.
I can't tell you how many Christians I have bumped into that are incapable of reasoning for themselves.
It's not indicative of all, or even most in my opinion.
But it is an obviously predictable side-effect of any religion which pretends to know things definitively, and demands the followers believe despite the facts.
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