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Old 08-14-2007, 12:05 PM   #21 (permalink)
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First of all, there are more than one religion. And they are distinct from one another because they differ.
So to the degree they differ, only at most one could be correct.
I've always found this outlook to be amusing, esp. since it seem to be shared between fundamentalists of any particular religion and atheist/hard agnostics.

Grow beyond binary thinking, people.
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I've always found this outlook to be amusing, esp. since it seem to be shared between fundamentalists of any particular religion and atheist/hard agnostics.

Grow beyond binary thinking, people.
Not nearly as amusing as people who hold the naive notion that obvious fundamental contradictions can somehow co-exist in a symbiotic consensus.

It's just a simple concept that some people's beliefs on reality are incompatible with others'. The differences in religion share this antagonism. Therefore if any religion were to be correct, it would be the only religion to be correct.
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Old 08-14-2007, 12:29 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Kat. That's complete and utter B.S.

Everyhing in my experience, reason, study of religion and relationship with God tells me so.

Look at it this way. Let's ask three hypothetical guys what the central piece of furniture in their living room is, and what its primary meaning to them is.

Guy # 1: "That the couch. I sit there to watch movies with my kids."

Guy # 2: "That's the sofa. It's my favorite place to take naps and cudle with my wife.

Guy # 3: "That's the Davenport. Best spot in the house to nail the babysitter."

Now, which one of these guys is telling the ONLY truth?

The outward expressions and, sometimes man-made dogmas, traditions, rites and ceremonies attached to religion by men sometimes contradict one another.

The essense of religion is unity.
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The essense of religion is unity.
That is such a larf.

The essense of religion is lies.
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Whatever, hev.

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Kat. That's complete and utter B.S.

Everyhing in my experience, reason, study of religion and relationship with God tells me so.

Look at it this way. Let's ask three hypothetical guys what the central piece of furniture in their living room is, and what its primary meaning to them is.

Guy # 1: "That the couch. I sit there to watch movies with my kids."

Guy # 2: "That's the sofa. It's my favorite place to take naps and cudle with my wife.

Guy # 3: "That's the Davenport. Best spot in the house to nail the babysitter."

Now, which one of these guys is telling the ONLY truth?

The outward expressions and, sometimes man-made dogmas, traditions, rites and ceremonies attached to religion by men sometimes contradict one another.

The essense of religion is unity.
Then apparently your experience, reason, and study of religion has been completely blind to one of the primary consequences of religions and their antagonisms; that is, it has been a primary source of division and war among men; NOT unity. I have no idea where you got that ridiculous pipe dream.

Your analogy is completely incompatible to comparison to differences in religion. First of all, the 'guys' and their descriptions of the couch are expressions of very broad relative opinion. The main posit behind the world's religion, being faith, expresses a truth value (albeit one without evidence); anything contradicting the set truth value is incompatible with that religion (e.g. Jesus is the savior and son of God and the only way one can be saved is through Jesus [Christianity] vs. Jesus is an irrelevant figure who (if he even existed) preached about a God and about permanent existence that isn't there, thereby perpetuating an ignorance of inherent existence and separating individuals from the universal 'spirit' [many eastern religions, etc.]).

Guy 1 doesn't kill guy 3 because it is a mere opinion. However, if guy 1's religion told him the undebatable 'truth' that it is an abomination to use the couch to 'nail the babysitter', then we have an undeniable contradiction and maybe guy 1 will actually kill guy 3; you know, just like some Muslims in the middle east are killing 'infidels' for not accepting Allah and Muhammad and just like virtually every war and inquisition conducted during the Middle Ages.

Likewise they're talking about the same subject (couch). Unlike many differences in religion.

The essence of religion has always been lies, as Hev points out (I wouldn't personally say lies as the teachers of religion believe in the same delusion as their followers; I would personally say the essence of religion has been delusion and a false sense of comfort [opium of the masses]); and it's distinct feature is division not unity. It makes humanity focus on each others' differences as opposed to their commonhood.
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Whatever, hev.

I love you, man. (hugs)

Lol. Hugs brother.
You have to face the fact that every religion is a lie at its core since no one can objectively know that God exists. As I have stated in the past, defending the truth doesn't get easier than that.
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Then apparently your experience, reason, and study of religion has been completely blind to one of the primary consequences of religions and their antagonisms; that is, it has been a primary source of division and war among men; NOT unity. I have no idea where you got that ridiculous pipe dream.

The primary cause of war is testesterone.

Also, wars have also been primarily struggles over land, resources and politics. Religion has been USED as window dressing -- or MIS-used as a means by which to whip up the masses. But I think even the Crusades weren't REALLY about religion. They were about those in power wanting to hold on to it.

Your analogy is completely incompatible to comparison to differences in religion. First of all, the 'guys' and their descriptions of the couch are expressions of very broad relative opinion. The main posit behind the world's religion, being faith, expresses a truth value (albeit one without evidence); anything contradicting the set truth value is incompatible with that religion (e.g. Jesus is the savior and son of God and the only way one can be saved is through Jesus [Christianity] vs. Jesus is an irrelevant figure who (if he even existed) preached about a God and about permanent existence that isn't there, thereby perpetuating an ignorance of inherent existence and separating individuals from the universal 'spirit' [many eastern religions, etc.]).


You're thinking just like a religious fundamentalists when you posist things like that. Again, I find the irony very amusing.

If you wish, I can offer you my de-construction the "Jesus is the ONLY way" misconception, all without, IMO, violating the basic, true precepts of Christianity -- just as I have for Campus Crusaders who were trying to evangalize me. However, the analogy I use to do so is rather lenghty, and I'd rather not belabor it if you're simply not interested.

Guy 1 doesn't kill guy 3 because it is a mere opinion. However, if guy 1's religion told him the undebatable 'truth' that it is an abomination to use the couch to 'nail the babysitter', then we have an undeniable contradiction and maybe guy 1 will actually kill guy 3; you know, just like some Muslims in the middle east are killing 'infidels' for not accepting Allah and Muhammad and just like virtually every war and inquisition conducted during the Middle Ages.

And you know what funny (well, maybe not "ha-ha" funny) about that? Muhammed taught:
A: His religion was the affirmation of the past ones. In other words, those who did not believe in Moses and Christ could not truely belive in him
B: There is to be NO COMPULSION in religion.

Likewise they're talking about the same subject (couch). Unlike many differences in religion.

It's a metaphore. You have to learn to think more abstractly. You're suffering from the same problems that limit religious fundamentalists.

The essence of religion has always been lies, as Hev points out (I wouldn't personally say lies as the teachers of religion believe in the same delusion as their followers; I would personally say the essence of religion has been delusion and a false sense of comfort [opium of the masses]); and it's distinct feature is division not unity. It makes humanity focus on each others' differences as opposed to their commonhood.
The ESSENSE of religion? No sir, not at all. With all due respect, I think you haven't a clue what the essense of religion is. The corruption of religion has always been lies. Your own narrow-mindedness is showing.
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Lol. Hugs brother.
You have to face the fact that every religion is a lie at its core since no one can objectively know that God exists. As I have stated in the past, defending the truth doesn't get easier than that.
There you go again?

You just accused 80%+ of the world of being liars!!

I thought you opposed hate speech on this forum??
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Lol. Hugs brother.
You have to face the fact that every religion is a lie at its core since no one can objectively know that God exists. As I have stated in the past, defending the truth doesn't get easier than that.
No one can objectively prove that God DOESN'T exist, either, so saying every religion is a lie based on that logic fails.

According to Mirriam Webster, to lie is:

1 : to make an untrue statement with intent to deceive
2 : to create a false or misleading impression

So, if a person believe his religion is true, he is not lying. He may be mistaken, but he isn't lying.

I do not believe in organized religion, as a rule. I believe that what Jesus taught, according to the Bible, are good rules to live by. I believe in God, although how I feel about him is closer to a deist philosophy.
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