Defending the Truth

I can't believe that people don't see the irony. Nevermind what we might be doing behind the scenes (which I am sure is more terrible than even the rumors suggest), but just consider the public face of it.

It is saying, "We believe so strongly in the principles of freedom and self-determination that we are going force these principles upon you."

How do people manage to stifle their laughter at this ridiculously obvious contradiction?

Well, it probably helps that there is nothing funny about all the dead people, destroyed families, and ruined economies that have resulted.

You seem to have a very narrow perspective.

Perhaps you hold the definitions of 'terrorist' and 'Islamic Fundamentalist' interchangeably but in their truer definitions, many actions of the west, or mostly what the west sponsors, becomes cognitively indiscernible from terrorism.

The holding of this distinction is I bet where we diverge in our understandings.

I never said the west is exactly as morally incorrect in it's tactics when superimposed over the tactics of Islamic extremists. Of course, dropping a bomb on a village and blaming it on error or 'inevitable collateral damage' isn't quite as morally incorrect as literally holding someone hostage? Both, including the latter (terrorism), are tactics and not ideologies. The sooner you realize this the sooner you will begin to understand the reality of things.

Both sides hold the ideology that it is okay to use militarism, violence, and fear in order to consolidate power and control. What I mean by 'we have lost the moral high ground' is that, now as a force of imperialism, in most people's minds opposition to this imperialism is morally justified. And in certain extreme circumstances, many people in their conditions find it not only an acceptable tactic but necessary to use terrorism to achieve this end. Hence why terrorism has grown since Bush's declaration of the war against terror.

The people of Iraq have voiced their vast majority of an opinion numerous times that has been unfavorable to us. For example, even outdated polls suggest a large majority of Iraqis favor immediate US withdraw (Washington Post), and recently that consensus among Iraqis has been growing stronger to a point where 78% of Iraqis oppose the presence of coalition forces (and most of that figure find themselves in the "strongly opposed" category), and now a majority (51%) believe that attacks on coalition forces are "acceptable" (BBC).

Most Iraqis generally would enjoy a freedom of intellect but freedom is definitely not what most Iraqis are getting. Many Iraqis face even more persecution for ideas and/or associations than before (see BBC poll above). And generally, many Iraqis favor the security of Saddam's Iraq over any gain in freedom with the coming of the occupation. One cannot live free in a state torn by war, without running water, electricity, or food. And one cannot live free from threat of being persecuted by either US forces (random midnight sweepings and detainments [of not only men but women and children] as well as the threat of torture), or from various other forces such as radical organizations or death squads (the latter of which is mostly comprised of a very corrupt police force).

Katczinsky,

Yes they are tactics, but they reflect their ideologies. The US does not capture and behead people. It does not hide among civilians. It does not target innocents.

Being percieved as imperialist is not the same thing as being imperialistic. One's perceptions can be faulty or based on imperfect information.

No, we are a force of imperialism; it is merely perceived by some that violent opposition to this is justified.

How interesting that you only replied to two select sentences out of my entire post.

Good Lord!!!! United States Has Made Islam # 1 Subject.

I can't under stand why mostly all internet forums stay
focus on Muslims and Islam. This is the most religious
bashing format that ever been created. Every damn thing
can't be blamed on Islam or Muslims most of you know that,
and so do I.

How can anyone say or talk about the real truth about Islam,
and don't know nothing about Islam besides what they have heard
someone say or read in a propagenda newspaper.

Whenever the real truth is told nobody is willing to pay any
attention to it. Islam and Muslims will still be around regardless to
how much Bi***ing is done, and killing off innocent Muslims who
have nothing to do with terrorism won't solve anything.

Yet, when ever a Muslim like myself comes on a furom to defend
Islam. That person is jumped by haters who don't know why they
are hating or get banned from the forum. Like this topic.... The
Real Truth About Islam. What is the real truth?

The reason the Muslims are getting picked on is because they are the ones doing all the fucked-up shit in the world. People have had it with all the damn terrorism. Religion of peace my ass. ISLAM JIHAD!!!!!

Hell, the way you talking Bush is a innocent fuck-up huh?
You talking about Terrorism (I agree),but what's the damn
differences in terrorism killing, and racism killing? So don't
make it seems like Muslims are the only terrorist. Everytime
a home is invaded (regardless if its in the white or black
neighborhood) its still tterrorizing.

You have your rights to believe just like I do, but where the
problem comes in is when its a onesided situation, and the
other one is always blaming. Since you are so against Islam
by them (according to you) is so damn un-peaceful. What
about hating,race bashing, and other ungodly deeds? You
support that huh?

Don't say you don't support the above, and you are bitching
about all Muslims is terrorist. In closing, Just because I am
speaking up and out against people like you have nothing to
do with my profession.

How I earn my living, and how I protect or defend my religion
has nothing to do with each other. I work inside the legal
(law) profession, and we defend people who think like you in
order to earn a good income.

This is where the statement about being foolish is real.
It statement only a fool will argue about something that
they don't know. A Wise person who knows the truth do
not have to argue with a fool...why? Because can't nobody
tell a fool anything.