I forgot to ask you pensacola_niceman, How do you feel
about the terrorist (racism) that your people has caused? I don't
see you bitching about them? So I guess I am saying what makes
you think that the White race is perfectly right, and non-whites
is wrong? Did you know that there is whites who is deeply involved
in Islam...Are they terrorist too?

The truth about Islam, in general, is that, as a religion, it stands at a sort of crossroads today.

I mean, will the bulk of Muslims accept the modern world and all of its evolving secularism and evolving levels of tolerance?...or will they promote their beliefs in the sense that their religion must have control of the state, which would promote a narrower worldview?

(Don't get me wrong. There are many Muslims who believe that secularism is a good thing. However, there seems to be a very vocal number of Muslims who feel very differently.)

The vast majority of religiously-inspired terrorism and terrorism that was foiled/threatened in the United States is attributed to one religion. But, I'll give you a hint: It's not Islam.

The truth of the matter is, if we're really going to go down that path and alienate a group of people for their past actions in this country: Christian terrorism has been more of a threat to US lives than Islamic terrorism ever was. People with a prejudice against Muslims will cite the few threatened Muslim plots against the US (such as the planned attack on JFK airport or the attack on Fort Dix), but the truth of the matter is that foiled attacks from other groups (most notably Christians) passes largely unheard or unreported by the US media, at least in comparison to foiled Islamic plots.

For example, some of just the recent threats of Christian violence include the violent threats against a South Carolina library from Baptist wackos, an attempted church bombing in Texas, the planned murder at Falwell's funeral, and death threats against Colorado biologists.

And who here actually heard that six days before the whole Fort Dix plot (which the media had a field day with), there was a plot by five "anti-illegal immigration" militia men to machine gun Mexicans? I sure didn't, and if it was reported, it surely didn't get as much attention as the Fort Dix plot or the JFK airport plot.

In the US in just the past 30 years alone, there has been 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arsons, 619 bomb threats, 100 attacks with butyric acid ("stink bombs"), anthrax attack threats, assassinations, 17 attempted murders, 383 death threats, 153 incidences of assault or battery, and 3 kidnappings against abortion clinics and their operators alone; virtually all of which were religiously motivated by Christian extremists (National Abortion Federation). In total, 5,622 acts of violence or threatened violence.

I'd almost guarantee you that if there were that many threats and attacks by Muslim extremists against almost anything in the United States; we would be in Marshal Law.

I'm not trying to somehow exonerate Muslim extremists here, but I think the whole broad brush of terrorism as primarily Islamic (and some people's associations that Islamic means terrorism) is a bunch of alarmist baloney. If you really want to go down that slippery slope, Christian extremism is much more of a threat than Islamic terrorism. And the broad brush that we must somehow combat "terrorism" (which is really just a tactic) militarily, is just an excuse to erode our civil liberties. Terrorism is terrorism, and just like murder and robbery it's a law enforcement matter not a military matter.

Terrorism is terrorism, and just like murder and robbery it's a law enforcement matter not a military matter.


Not when it involves foreign nationals and rises to the scale of 9/11. That sort of thing is akin to warfare and a direct attack on the country as a whole. It therefore DOES justify a military response.

You can't really compare that directly to some Yay-hoo tossing a stink bomb at an abortion clinic because he thinks that's what Jesus wants.

What I meant by that comment is that it's inane to assume a military response against specifically a tactic. It's doomed to failure. It's even more absurd than the war on drugs.

There will always be terrorism insofar as those fighting use it as a tactic. If you attempt to provoke a military assault on 'terrorism', it will only appear more profusely as it is a tactic of war.

Al-Qaeda attacked us on 9/11; terrorism was just the means and tactic. War against Al-Qaeda and their supporters in Afghanistan and Saudi Arabia makes a lot more sense than painting the broad picture of "terrorism", which cannot be defined as an entity, and citing a 'state of war' against 'terrorists' just means an indefinite war and an excuse to erode liberty.

Agreed, but in the end what I was trying to point out is that the 'threat' of terrorism specifically from Muslim extremists has been inflated to absurd levels; especially when extremists of all creeds (Muslims, Christians, Jews, racists, and other even secular groups) can and have used terrorism as their tactic.

Katczinski,

Two reasons:

1) Time

2) Relevance

I am not debating the war in Iraq. That topic is entirely debatable and good points can be made on both sides.

What I am challenging is the assertion that the US is morally equivalent to the terrorists.

The video sums it up nicely. Try comparing that to the terrorism my people are currently causing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=http:...?v=olZ60wtrAtY

Kat, I agree with you pretty much down the line. The "war on terror" has been too vauge and focused in the wrong places. I know it's been said so many times already it's become cliche, but trying to tie the whole mess in Iraq in with our response to 9/11 makes about as much sense as it would have to declare war on Turkey after Pearl Harbor was bombed.

And yes, I think the "terrorist" threat specifically from foreign fanatics has been inflated to hysterical levels. There's been plenty of domestic terrorism here in the states from all sorts of political and religious groups -- dating back all the way to the earliest days of our nation.

Actually the attack is on an idealogy which is the same as throwing a stink bomb because the stink bomb is also an attack on an idealoogy . Just because one makes more damage doesn't mean the other is any less a threat to our freedom. Neither are justfied no matter the result.

All fundamentalists are crazy nutjobs and they all use the same rhetoric to gain a political (as opposed to spiritual) advantage..our belief and way of life is being attacked blah blah blah...its the same crap..what we don't understand and its the same thing we didn't understand about Japanese suicide bombers in WWII is the complete lack of respect for human life. But I also don't get why threatening to kill an abortion clinic worker is any less ..it too shows a lack of respect for human life. But we somehow for whatever reason don't see them as the same.

In this country we need to question fundamentalist objectives and stop the hey I respect your belief crap which means we end up not questioning their beliefs and what they want...we can question the effect their beliefs have on our society and we should. This is not attacking their belief but ensuring that everyones freedoms (such as they are ) are looked after.

As for the Muslims extremists I don't know what the answer is but what we are currently doing does seem to be making the situation worse..