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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 08-22-2007, 06:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
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We watched an interesting documentary on slavery's role in American history on PBS last spring. If it comes back around, you might want to watch it. A lot of stuff I knew already; a lot I didn't.
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.....an unparalleled look at slavery and the remarkable stories of individual slaves in “Slavery and the Making of America,” airing on PBS Feb. 9 and 16 at 9 p.m. EST.
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From the early 17th century when English settlers in Virginia purchased Africans from Dutch traders, and through the next two centuries with the Civil War and Reconstruction, the documentary explores slavery as more than just an institution of evil and persecution.


Rather, the film shows how slavery became the central economic base for the entire country’s development — a base that was dependent on the labor and know-how of generations of black Americans.
PBS film examines slavery, building of America - Public TV/Documentary - MSNBC.com
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:03 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Well, the natives weren't exaclty lovey-dovey with one another before "we" (Europeans) arrived.

And some Africans were sold into slavery by other Africans.

Human nature is what it is.
That may be true. But the "Trail of Tears" wasn't voluntary by any means. Nor was the slavery mandated.
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I can't really remember a time when there was freedom in America.

The declaration of independence and constitution was largely meant to express 'unalienable rights' only to the rich, white, male, land-owning class (a strata largely considered, at the time, the people which God had in favor). Mere political revolution only emancipates the people insofar as the people are in the same condition the revolutionary class is in.

Just put "for the white, male, bourgeoisie" in front of the 'unalienable rights' expressed by the US' founders and you can explain the enslavement and subjugation of the colored, the worker, and the woman.

Social reform since then has been a blessing in many ways, but we still have a long way to go to really consider us a 'free' peoples. At least on the level to be considered true to humanity's 'unalienable rights' conferred to them by nature and God.
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:23 PM   #14 (permalink)
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I can't really remember a time when there was freedom in America.

The declaration of independence and constitution was largely meant to express 'unalienable rights' only to the rich, white, male, land-owning class (a strata largely considered, at the time, the people which God had in favor). Mere political revolution only emancipates the people insofar as the people are in the same condition the revolutionary class is in.

Just put "for the white, male, bourgeoisie" in front of the 'unalienable rights' expressed by the US' founders and you can explain the enslavement and subjugation of the colored, the worker, and the woman.

Social reform since then has been a blessing in many ways, but we still have a long way to go to really consider us a 'free' peoples.
What is "free" anyway? I actually pretty durn happy.
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What is "free" anyway?
Man, that's like asking me to write a book. That's perhaps a new thread, or at least give me time to compose such a long argument.

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I actually pretty durn happy.
That's what many slaves were saying, too, when the economy started booming (due to slavery and cotton farming) and slave owners were considering themselves righteous "progressives" by providing for their slaves better (and in many ways [in the latter years], they were being taken care of better than the "free workers" of the north). But, just because some were happy, doesn't mean they were free. The 'progressives' of that day and under that social condition (slavery) are essentially equatable to the "progressives" (bourgeois liberals) of today and today's social condition (capitalism); that is, attempting to provide for the enslaved better but never suggest emancipation.
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Old 08-22-2007, 06:34 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Man, that's like asking me to write a book. That's perhaps a new thread, or at least give me time to compose such a long argument.

Yeah I'll bet. I don't see us "progressing any more though. I think the possibility of true "freedom" has passed.



That's what many slaves were saying, too, when the economy started booming (due to slavery and cotton farming) and slave owners were considering themselves righteous "progressives" by providing for their slaves better. But, just because some were happy, doesn't mean they weren't free. The 'progressives' of that day and under that social condition (slavery) are essentially equatable to the "progressives" (bourgeois liberals) of today and today's social condition (capitalism).
I can see your point.
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Well, the natives weren't exaclty lovey-dovey with one another before "we" (Europeans) arrived.

And some Africans were sold into slavery by other Africans.

Human nature is what it is.
Yeah, people really do suck.

That's why I stopped hanging around with them.
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Yeah, you gotta watch out for me especially. In fact, I'm not even real.

I'm actually a raccon that's been trained to type.

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Yeah, you gotta watch out for me especially. In fact, I'm not even real.

I'm actually a raccon that's been trained to type.

What do you think of that?
I'm not even from the planet earth. I'm typing from the Andromeda galaxy on a light shift modem. We discovered your life form twenty of your years ago. Blah blah...
You know, how do those people write for sci-fi programs. That time dilation and stuff like that must get confusing after a while.
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I'm not even from the planet earth. I'm typing from the Andromeda galaxy on a light shift modem. We discovered your life form twenty of your years ago. Blah blah...
You know, how do those people write for sci-fi programs. That time dilation and stuff like that must get confusing after a while.
I can top you better...I'm MM, Knot, KOS, Tristan, Highway, you, and everyone else on this board. Also, I'm actually the real owner of the board, Ridin and Tad are characters of mine that I use to try and get people to donate to the site so I can rake in the big bucks.

Now try and top THAT one...
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