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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 08-24-2007, 12:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
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All I can say is politics and religion always tend to pervert each other.

Thus, never the two should be considered as one.

I don't think he was saying anything about politics. I think the overall message there is that the religious are essentially one, but people disagree with, hate or fight one another over the man-made dogmas and traditions -- or the coincidental codes and ordinances there were never meant to be eternal or unchanging.
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Old 08-24-2007, 12:16 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm sure CNN will air it again.

Personally speaking, I think a secular form of government is much better than any theocracy since, with a secular government, people are most free to believe and act as they want to believe and act.
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Almost every nation on the planet offers freedom of religion to its citizens. There are very very few real theocracies.

Even countries with a state religion still allow freedom of religion.





And I think religion aught to be a personal and individual soul-searching thing.

But voters and legislators are still going to be influenced by their religious beliefs, or the lack thereof, when they enter the voting booth or the legislature.

So it's churlish to believe that religion and politics will be entirely separate.
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Almost every nation on the planet offers freedom of religion to its citizens. There are very very few real theocracies.

Even countries with a state religion still allow freedom of religion.

But voters and legislators are still going to be influenced by their religious beliefs, or the lack thereof, when they enter the voting booth or the legislature.

So it's churlish to believe that religion and politics will be entirely separate.
So, if fundamentalists wish to remove the teaching of evolution from public schools in the US on the basis that evolution runs counter to their religious beliefs, everyone else who believes otherwise in the US would be free of their fundamentalism if such efforts are achieved?

And, in Iran, where all women are required to wear a veil in public, how are non-Muslims in Iran free from the Muslim religion?

While it is true that there are very few governments in the world today that have significant levels of theocratic ideas imbeded in their laws, there are certainly an increasing amount of people who wish to change this fact...even in the US.

Most certainly, people will be influenced by their religious beliefs when they go to vote at the polls or within a government. But, if the reason they are voting a particular way is purely based upon a religious belief that isn't shared by everyone, then why shouldn't their action be perceived as a step towards turning their government into more of a theocracy?
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You might be right. I'd thought about that, too. He would have been allowed to worship long before WWII happened, if he ever was an immigrant to the USA. I don't remember very much about him.

My father never really liked that family anyway. They both refused to come to the wedding of my mom, who was 17, and my dad, who was 22. They did not approve her marrying at such a young age.

My dad's dad's family lived in the mountains west of Denver, Colorado, and traveling in those days was harder than it is now. The year was 1942, so that was before Eisenhower created the interstate highway system. They got married in San Angelo, TX.

Nevertheless, when they finally got to meet my mom, they welcomed her with open arms. My mom and dad got more love from them than from my mom's side of the family. Oh well.
Such is, at times, the social dynamics of families.

By the way, your grandfather-and perhaps some of my own relatives-didn't actually come from Poland, per say, because the country of Poland didn't exist for a period of time prior to WWI. Just an historical FYI...
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Such is, at times, the social dynamics of families.

By the way, your grandfather-and perhaps some of my own relatives-didn't actually come from Poland, per say, because the country of Poland didn't exist for a period of time prior to WWI. Just an historical FYI...
Yeah, Poland had a checkered past, didn't it? I guess the worst of it occurred when Nazi Germany occupied it.
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Yeah, Poland had a checkered past, didn't it? I guess the worst of it occurred when Nazi Germany occupied it.
Yeah, Poland under Nazi occupation was pretty bad.

But, Poland under Soviet occupation was pretty bad too.

Their location has almost always been pretty rough for them...with invasions from both the east and west...since Poland exists along a major east-west route connecting Asia with Europe.
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Yeah, Poland under Nazi occupation was pretty bad.

But, Poland under Soviet occupation was pretty bad too.

Their location has almost always been pretty rough for them...with invasions from both the east and west...since Poland exists along a major east-west route connecting Asia with Europe.
Like, what did we do wrong that warranted an invasion??
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Like, what did we do wrong that warranted an invasion??
In WWII and in Post WWII I think it was primarily Poland's location that "warranted" its invasion.

Hitler wanted to crush Russia and Stalin wanted to spread communism, in general...I think.

(Of course, Hitler also wanted to eliminate Polish Jews and other Poles he deemed enemies of his regime or goals.)

Those poor Poles...
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In WWII and in Post WWII I think it was primarily Poland's location that "warranted" its invasion.

Hitler wanted to crush Russia and Stalin wanted to spread communism, in general...I think.

(Of course, Hitler also wanted to eliminate Polish Jews and other Poles he deemed enemies of his regime or goals.)

Those poor Poles...
Amen to that.
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In WWII and in Post WWII I think it was primarily Poland's location that "warranted" its invasion.

Hitler wanted to crush Russia and Stalin wanted to spread communism, in general...I think.

(Of course, Hitler also wanted to eliminate Polish Jews and other Poles he deemed enemies of his regime or goals.)

Those poor Poles...
They also used the excuse of Germanic speaking people living there. That meant they were Germans. They saw that as a right to take over the lands, and some nations went along with that.
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