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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 09-17-2007, 11:26 AM   #131 (permalink)
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Why is there a need to include ALL religions?

The vast majority of people in this country are Christian. So, what's the huge deal of observing primarily Christian holidays in school?

The huge deal is that our country has a secular government and any one religion should not dominate any other even if it has a majority. Not only that but it would be incredibly healthy for students to receive many points of view about religion and expose them to different ideas.

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Again, when one is in Rome, why should one expect the Romans to quit being Romans just to accomodate them?
Because Italy is not the secular melting pot that America is... that is why. But even they let their students opt out of religious events.
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Agreed, but don't just teach the 3 r's, some parents aren't teaching or demonstrating behavior that we want kids to emulate.

Do you think that the schools teaching behavior, when it's not enforced at home, will do any good? We have parents out there these days that don't seem willing to correct their child's behavior, and some that think their child should be able to behave any way it wants. How are schools supposed to correct that when they can't even seem to teach halfway decent grammar?

Since they spend such a significant portion of their waking life at school, a little moral and social education might go a long way to creating better citizens. And not the "tolerate everythng", "offend no one", and rather pacifist pu--y a-- education that they are getting these days. Some school systems in Ga have abolished tag and dodge ball? What the heck is that about? How do you raise men that might have to defend this country with BS rules like that?
I think that's more about the schools trying to keep from being sued. Little Tommy comes home with a scratch, mom and dad have a lawyer on speed dial.
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The huge deal is that our country has a secular government and any one religion should not dominate any other even if it has a majority. Not only that but it would be incredibly healthy for students to receive many points of view about religion and expose them to different ideas.

Yes, I get that. That's why it's sensible to oppose actual religious indoctrination in public schools. (Teacher-led prayers, mandatory Bible study, stuff like that.)

I don't think that's what we're talking about. I think what's being discussed here is little observations of holidays -- such as singing Christmas carols, dyeing Easter eggs, or doing something for Valentine's Day.

I see those more as cultural observations. Like it or not, Christianity is fairly deeply woven into our cultue. We can't simply ignore it any more than we could expect, say, the Japanese to ignore the influence of Shinto or Buddhism on their culture.

How can we respect other cultures if we're afraid of our own?
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Yes, I get that. That's why it's sensible to oppose actual religious indoctrination in public schools. (Teacher-led prayers, mandatory Bible study, stuff like that.)

I don't think that's what we're talking about. I think what's being discussed here is little observations of holidays -- such as singing Christmas carols, dyeing Easter eggs, or doing something for Valentine's Day.

I see those more as cultural observations. Like it or not, Christianity is fairly deeply woven into our cultue. We can't simply ignore it any more than we could expect, say, the Japanese to ignore the influence of Shinto or Buddhism on their culture.

How can we respect other cultures if we're afraid of our own?
Because our culture is not homogenous like that found in Japan or Thailand. We have the most varied culture in the world, especially in regards to religion, and our schools do not reflect this when observing only christian traditions. All or nothing I say.
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Because our culture is not homogenous like that found in Japan or Thailand. We have the most varied culture in the world, especially in regards to religion, and our schools do not reflect this when observing only christian traditions. All or nothing I say.
I have to beg to differ with you on almost every point.

First, we are not the only varied culture. Even Japan has a fair amount of cultural sub-groups.

Secondly, Christianity is still deeply woven into our culture, and the vast, vast majority are still Christian or identify themselves a such.

Again, actual religious indoctrination has no place in school.

But traditions such as Christmas carols are deeply ingrained in American culture. To not observe them would be simply foolish and ignorant, IMO.
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I have to beg to differ with you on almost every point.

First, we are not the only varied culture. Even Japan has a fair amount of cultural sub-groups.

Secondly, Christianity is still deeply woven into our culture, and the vast, vast majority are still Christian or identify themselves a such.

Again, actual religious indoctrination has no place in school.

But traditions such as Christmas carols are deeply ingrained in American culture. To not observe them would be simply foolish and ignorant, IMO.
Japan has a very homogenous population when compared to the melting pot we have in America. We have a lot of personal freedom to observe whatever religious traditions we want on our own free time but in schools where there are muslims, jewish, buddhist, athiest, agnostic, etc etc etc it is not fair to favor only one set of traditions.

Hell, I find it repulsive that only Christian holidays are honored as national holidays when we are trying to remain secular.
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Japan has a very homogenous population when compared to the melting pot we have in America. We have a lot of personal freedom to observe whatever religious traditions we want on our own free time but in schools where there are muslims, jewish, buddhist, athiest, agnostic, etc etc etc it is not fair to favor only one set of traditions.

Hell, I find it repulsive that only Christian holidays are honored as national holidays when we are trying to remain secular.
I suppose you think we should start celebrating Ramadaam here too. Hell, if we celebrate every religious holiday associated with all religions, there would be little time left to work.
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Japan has a very homogenous population when compared to the melting pot we have in America. We have a lot of personal freedom to observe whatever religious traditions we want on our own free time but in schools where there are muslims, jewish, buddhist, athiest, agnostic, etc etc etc it is not fair to favor only one set of traditions.

Hell, I find it repulsive that only Christian holidays are honored as national holidays when we are trying to remain secular.

Actually, I know quite a few atheists, Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist people that still celebrate Christmas.

To them it has ceased to be about Christianity and has become more of a time for family and friends to come together in the spirit of giving.
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Actually, I know quite a few atheists, Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist people that still celebrate Christmas.

To them it has ceased to be about Christianity and has become more of a time for family and friends to come together in the spirit of giving.
I was almost going to post that. You are right, Christmas may have it's roots in Christianity, but that doesn't mean others can't celebrate it.
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Actually, I know quite a few atheists, Jewish, Muslim and Buddhist people that still celebrate Christmas.

To them it has ceased to be about Christianity and has become more of a time for family and friends to come together in the spirit of giving.

Sure, I know a lot that do too... but not at school.
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