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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 09-14-2007, 03:59 PM   #61 (permalink)
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All the major ones that are represented by the children at the school - Christianity, Judaism, Islam.

If they ever find a Kwanzaa kid maybe they should discuss that too) if anyone can ever figure out what it is!)

My children went to a Church of England primary school in London, which also had children of many other faiths. There was no compuncion about discussing, say, Judaism at Hannakah, and what it all meant.

In striving to be more "free" and "equal" America sometimes end up being ultra-prudish and more constrictive.
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Why should elementary schools teach about religion? How much time out of the class day do you propose using to teach this? Who should design the curriculum for elementary school religious studies? Why only those three religions? There are many, many religions. Why not take the time to discuss them all? Why were so many children of different faiths left out when it came time to discuss religion at your children's school? Weren't they marginalized when their faith was not discussed?

My feeling is that the public schools should be kept religion-neutral. I can see a lot of value in an elective comparative religion course in high school, but I believe that parents, not govt, should be responsible for teaching their kids about religion if they choose to do so.

By the way, there are fundies who would have a serious freak-out if anything other than Christianity was taught in school.

I say, leave it to the parents.
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Old 09-14-2007, 04:00 PM   #62 (permalink)
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There is a world of difference between a "religious education" and trying to convert children to a specific religion.

Exposure to a religion doesn't equate to conversion.

And what about childrens' exposure to secular doctrines? Is it the job of the public schools to promote homosexuality for example?
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Why do you insist on equating secularism with homosexuality?

Why do you think the elementary schools should be responsible for a religious education?
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I don't think, for example, doing a Nativity Play, decorating a tree or singing "The First Noel" is going to kill any kids.

I would have no problem with my children partaking in such activities. They are undecided about their religion. But I am Baha'i and their mother is Wiccan.

What's wrong with a little immersion in/exposure to other cultures? After all, the line between "religion" and "culture" is fairly blurry. Hell, for Native American Indians, you CAN'T really seperate the two.

What's the big freakin' deal over kids being exposed to a little Christian culture.. especially when they live in a predominently Christian society?

Somehow, I think the people who get all uptight about this wouldn't blink if they moved to a Buddhist society and their children were "forced" to partake in Buddhist cultural/religious observations.

Seriously...what's the difference?

I WANT my children exposed to other veiws/cultures/religions.
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Great, but I don't think it is the job of the schools to do that for you.
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Why should elementary schools teach about religion? How much time out of the class day do you propose using to teach this? Who should design the curriculum for elementary school religious studies? Why only those three religions? There are many, many religions. Why not take the time to discuss them all? Why were so many children of different faiths left out when it came time to discuss religion at your children's school? Weren't they marginalized when their faith was not discussed?

My feeling is that the public schools should be kept religion-neutral. I can see a lot of value in an elective comparative religion course in high school, but I believe that parents, not govt, should be responsible for teaching their kids about religion if they choose to do so.

By the way, there are fundies who would have a serious freak-out if anything other than Christianity was taught in school.

I say, leave it to the parents.
You seem absolutely terrified about the whole subject of teaching religion!

I don't have a problem with teaching religions other than those represented in the classroom population. And I don't see why it's such a big deal to work out an agreeable curriculum.

You can try to deny it if you wish, but the fact is that religion plays a huge role in our history and our lives.

It's churlish to pretend that it can be swept under the carpet.
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Why do you insist on equating secularism with homosexuality?
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I'm picking that as an example from recent and continuin news stories

Why did you avoid answering the question about schools teaching secular doctrine?





Why do you think the elementary schools should be responsible for a religious education?
Because it is an important part of a child's education.

Why do you think it should be ignored?
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You seem absolutely terrified about the whole subject of teaching religion!

I don't have a problem with teaching religions other than those represented in the classroom population. And I don't see why it's such a big deal to work out an agreeable curriculum.

You can try to deny it if you wish, but the fact is that religion plays a huge role in our history and our lives.

It's churlish to pretend that it can be swept under the carpet.
But, I don't think that a class that teaches any religion aught to be a required class in a public school.

Nor do I think that kids should be forced or coerced in any way in taking part in any sort of religious observance in a public school.

Make such classes and events entirely elective things and I personally don't have a problem with them taking place in public schools.
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Wicca and Pagan - please let's try to be serious!

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Christianity and Judaism - please let's try to be serious!

Are you seeing how THAT works yet?


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Because it is an important part of a child's education.

Why do you think it should be ignored?
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I don't think religious education should be ignored. if you were actually reading my posts, you'd have read that I feel it is the responsibility of the parents and not the schools.
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Because it is an important part of a child's education.

Why do you think it should be ignored?
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There are gay Christians, gay Muslims gay Jews and so on, so homosexuality as a secular doctrine is BS. How about a real example of secular doctrine being taught in elementary schools.

Better yet, why not let the schools concentrate on teaching reading, writing, math, etc?
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But having a school holiday over Christmas and Easter time, then pretending it isn't Christmas or Easter, is just stupid.
Christmas is the approximate same time as Hanukkah and Winter Solstice.

Easter is the approximate same time as Passover.

Why do you want to pretend otherwise?
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Ramadan is at a different time each year.
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Passover is an optional holiday most places.
Not to practicing Jews and Jehovah's Witnesses it isn't.

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So you are ok with discriminating against Wiccans and Pagans?

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Sure do.
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