Defending the Truth

Articles | Interviews | Politicians | Groups | Arcade | Experience | Donate
  Defending the Truth > Other Topics of Discussion > Religion
Heresy: God Committed Suicide

Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

Reply
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2
 
LinkBack Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 09-28-2007, 11:13 AM   #11 (permalink)
Rod
*Premium Member*
Premium Member
 
Rod's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: heart of America
Gender: Private
Posts: 521
Country:
Points: 3,056, Level: 34
Points: 3,056, Level: 34 Points: 3,056, Level: 34 Points: 3,056, Level: 34
Level up: 4%, 144 Points needed
Level up: 4% Level up: 4% Level up: 4%
Activity: 12%
Activity: 12% Activity: 12% Activity: 12%
Send a message via Yahoo to Rod
Rod is online now 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OhDear View Post
So then God as in God the Son: Jesus did not commit suicide.
But then God asin God the Father did murder His Son.

For us?

OhDear
The spirit of God lived within the son born into the flesh of a woman of flesh did not commit suicide. He followed His destiny.

It was not the Father that murdered Him. It was the evil in the hearts of men. Did God the Father allow it to happen, yes He did. Could the Father of heaven and earth change the hearts of men? It is still being done today.
Sponsored Links
Old 09-28-2007, 11:15 AM   #12 (permalink)
Account Deleted
Join Date: Dec 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,108
Country:
Points: 16,625, Level: 82
Points: 16,625, Level: 82 Points: 16,625, Level: 82 Points: 16,625, Level: 82
Level up: 55%, 225 Points needed
Level up: 55% Level up: 55% Level up: 55%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
OhDear is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by knot_e_lady View Post
Not all Christian sects believe in the concept of heaven and hell. Some believe that when you die you sleep until the second coming, at which time you will awaken and live on a paradise earth with Jesus reigning here as his Father does in heaven.

That being said, I think you are trying to put human emotion and reasoning into a completely spiritual being.

If a person asks another to kill them, is it murder?
Exactly!!! Though men nailed Jesus to the cross, was that not in effect, a suicide? Could we not see God Himself leaving the suicide note ? "If I can't live with you, I don't want to live."
"If you reject me, I will reject myself."


OhDear
Old 09-28-2007, 11:20 AM   #13 (permalink)
Rod
*Premium Member*
Premium Member
 
Rod's Avatar
Join Date: Jan 2007
Location: heart of America
Gender: Private
Posts: 521
Country:
Points: 3,056, Level: 34
Points: 3,056, Level: 34 Points: 3,056, Level: 34 Points: 3,056, Level: 34
Level up: 4%, 144 Points needed
Level up: 4% Level up: 4% Level up: 4%
Activity: 12%
Activity: 12% Activity: 12% Activity: 12%
Send a message via Yahoo to Rod
Rod is online now 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OhDear View Post
Exactly!!! Though men nailed Jesus to the cross, was that not in effect, a suicide? Could we not see God Himself leaving the suicide note ? "If I can't live with you, I don't want to live."
"If you reject me, I will reject myself."


OhDear
I have considered it more as if I reject Jesus then I am in fact rejecting myself as being a living spiritual being. That flesh that God breathed life into.
Old 09-28-2007, 11:22 AM   #14 (permalink)
Congressional Representative
 
knot_e_lady's Avatar
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: Grand Rapids, Michigan
Gender: Female
Posts: 2,194
Country:
Points: 11,072, Level: 69
Points: 11,072, Level: 69 Points: 11,072, Level: 69 Points: 11,072, Level: 69
Level up: 56%, 178 Points needed
Level up: 56% Level up: 56% Level up: 56%
Activity: 1%
Activity: 1% Activity: 1% Activity: 1%
knot_e_lady is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OhDear View Post
Exactly!!! Though men nailed Jesus to the cross, was that not in effect, a suicide? Could we not see God Himself leaving the suicide note ? "If I can't live with you, I don't want to live."
"If you reject me, I will reject myself."


OhDear
I'm not sure where you are getting those quotes.

Do you think Christianity would be where it is today if Christ hadn't died?

Okay, another analogy...

My favorite show just about of all time was the show Buffy the Vampire Slayer.

The final scene is Spike (a vampire with a soul) has a magical amulet that will burst sunlight into a cave full of uber-vamps. He knows that the sunlight will kill him, but for the greater good, he gives up his life in order to save others.

Did he commit suicide?

Or anyone, for that matter, that gives up their life for the greater good.
Last edited by knot_e_lady; 09-28-2007 at 11:26 AM.
Old 09-28-2007, 05:08 PM   #15 (permalink)
Council Member
 
mytmouse57's Avatar
Join Date: May 2007
Location: Wyoming
Gender: Male
Posts: 1,766
Country:
Points: 4,791, Level: 44
Points: 4,791, Level: 44 Points: 4,791, Level: 44 Points: 4,791, Level: 44
Level up: 21%, 159 Points needed
Level up: 21% Level up: 21% Level up: 21%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
mytmouse57 is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Christianity got too hung up on Jesus' death, and has lost track of how He lived and what He taught, IMO.
If at first you don’t succeed – try, try again and then quit. There’s no sense in making a damned fool of yourself. – W.C. Fields

Old 10-15-2007, 08:55 AM   #16 (permalink)
Congressional Representative
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,545
Country:
Points: 7,684, Level: 58
Points: 7,684, Level: 58 Points: 7,684, Level: 58 Points: 7,684, Level: 58
Level up: 67%, 66 Points needed
Level up: 67% Level up: 67% Level up: 67%
Activity: 52%
Activity: 52% Activity: 52% Activity: 52%
Grace is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OhDear View Post
Today as I was leaving the kiss-and-drop lane at the high school where my son is a student, I decided to turn on the radio.

And a song came on K-Love. It was about the cross. I began to listen to the words, and knowing it, started to even sing along some. Then it hit me! I thought about this cross of Jesus. I thought about the said sacrifice. Of how he laid down his life. And I queried in my soul, "Is this message of the cross that God committed suicide?"

Did God according to fundamental principles, become man, and take the dismal notion, "I don't want to live if living is without you." ?
Was there no other way for the Almighty and All-knowing God to effect salvation for man? And did He not do this to himself? For even the Bible says that he laid down his own life.

Does one ever truly look at the cross of Christ without feeling or at the very least, remembering a guilt? And doesn't that guilt in part, maintain the relationship in many Christians lives and service rather than the pure and unabashed love that is freely given?

I have come to explore the thought processes of suicide, and have come to the conclusion that it is a very selfish act. And controlling.
I know in bygone days how I have exalted the cross of Christ for the selflessness of the Lord. But in further reflection today, I am wondering if others have ever wrestled with these other negative thoughts I am having today.
Thoughts of a morbid gospel.

I am sure that these thoughts are springing up from my emotional center rather than my reasonable self. Still they must be dealt with and I am daring to gain understanding in my relationship with God as well as with others.

OhDear
Jesus didnt kill himself, not in the same way a person who doesnt know the end from the begining. At no time did Jesus say to himself "I dont want to live" Obviously if you read his words you would know that he fully understood that through his death, many would live. He also knew (as oposed to someone who would kill themselfs) that he had the physical power to take his life back up again. He knew well before he was killed that he would rise again in 3 days. If the story ended with his death, and that was it, you'd probably have a point. Doubt this helped you any, but I gave it a shot.
Old 10-15-2007, 08:59 AM   #17 (permalink)
Congressional Representative
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,545
Country:
Points: 7,684, Level: 58
Points: 7,684, Level: 58 Points: 7,684, Level: 58 Points: 7,684, Level: 58
Level up: 67%, 66 Points needed
Level up: 67% Level up: 67% Level up: 67%
Activity: 52%
Activity: 52% Activity: 52% Activity: 52%
Grace is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mytmouse57 View Post
Christianity got too hung up on Jesus' death, and has lost track of how He lived and what He taught, IMO.

Without the Death and resurection, there is no Christianity. The Christians I know are all for his life, what he taught, and believe his death and resurection are what give power to his words.
Old 10-15-2007, 09:05 AM   #18 (permalink)
Account Deleted
Join Date: Dec 2006
Gender: Female
Posts: 4,108
Country:
Points: 16,625, Level: 82
Points: 16,625, Level: 82 Points: 16,625, Level: 82 Points: 16,625, Level: 82
Level up: 55%, 225 Points needed
Level up: 55% Level up: 55% Level up: 55%
Activity: 0%
Activity: 0% Activity: 0% Activity: 0%
OhDear is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace View Post
Jesus didnt kill himself, not in the same way a person who doesnt know the end from the begining. At no time did Jesus say to himself "I dont want to live" Obviously if you read his words you would know that he fully understood that through his death, many would live. He also knew (as oposed to someone who would kill themselfs) that he had the physical power to take his life back up again. He knew well before he was killed that he would rise again in 3 days. If the story ended with his death, and that was it, you'd probably have a point. Doubt this helped you any, but I gave it a shot.

Grace, thank you for the response. I actually do realize that the gospel is different than that of a suicidal act. Though I have a hard time looking at it objectively here of late.

Someone I dearly love nearly died of a suicide attempt. And when I listened to the music on K-love after that, you know the Christian songs, I felt that I was hearing death romanticized.

And I thought of how a suicidal person may well say at a crisis point in a relationship, "If I can't live with you, I don't want to live at all."

And though Jesus, as you say, would have known the triumph that was on the horizon as he submitted to death, the purpose was similar to that expressed , "If I can't live with you, I will then die..." Only in Christ's death, it is said that his death afforded him to live with all of us afterall.

He did though, according to the Bible, lay down his own life. So whenever folk get their togas tied in knots over whether Rome or the Jews killed Jesus, or even the fundamental answer within Christian faith to say we all, by being sinners in need of a savior, killed him...fact is, he laid down his own life.

Again, I just am being emotional about the whole thing cos of my own recent experience with suicide. And I find the gospel to be a bit of a romanticizing of death, and that a death prompted by relationship gone awry. I ain't God and I ain't all powerful and all knowing, but if I was, I think I would have found a different means to save the world.

OhDear
Old 10-15-2007, 09:30 AM   #19 (permalink)
Congressional Representative
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 2,545
Country:
Points: 7,684, Level: 58
Points: 7,684, Level: 58 Points: 7,684, Level: 58 Points: 7,684, Level: 58
Level up: 67%, 66 Points needed
Level up: 67% Level up: 67% Level up: 67%
Activity: 52%
Activity: 52% Activity: 52% Activity: 52%
Grace is offline 		Reply With Quote
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by OhDear View Post
Grace, thank you for the response. I actually do realize that the gospel is different than that of a suicidal act. Though I have a hard time looking at it objectively here of late.

Someone I dearly love nearly died of a suicide attempt. And when I listened to the music on K-love after that, you know the Christian songs, I felt that I was hearing death romanticized.

And I thought of how a suicidal person may well say at a crisis point in a relationship, "If I can't live with you, I don't want to live at all."

And though Jesus, as you say, would have known the triumph that was on the horizon as he submitted to death, the purpose was similar to that expressed , "If I can't live with you, I will then die..." Only in Christ's death, it is said that his death afforded him to live with all of us afterall.

He did though, according to the Bible, lay down his own life. So whenever folk get their togas tied in knots over whether Rome or the Jews killed Jesus, or even the fundamental answer within Christian faith to say we all, by being sinners in need of a savior, killed him...fact is, he laid down his own life.

Again, I just am being emotional about the whole thing cos of my own recent experience with suicide. And I find the gospel to be a bit of a romanticizing of death, and that a death prompted by relationship gone awry. I ain't God and I ain't all powerful and all knowing, but if I was, I think I would have found a different means to save the world.

OhDear

Im very sorry to hear of your resent experiance OhDear. I once had someone very close to me kill himself. I still have terrible nightmares. Anyhow, your absolutly right. No man took Jesus's life, he layed it down on his own accord. He loves us that much. Let that make your mind at ease, knowing such a loving God was willing to go the distance, even unto death, for our salvation. Its a good thing
Reply
Page 2 of 2 < 1 2

Bookmarks

« Previous Thread | Next Thread »
Thread Tools
Display Modes
Linear Mode Linear Mode



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 05:59 PM.

Defending the Truth - FAQ - Contact Us - Donate - Archive - Top

 Top Political Sites
Poltical Topsites 

Recommended Sites