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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 10-06-2007, 02:49 PM   #11 (permalink)
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The one and the same article foremention in this thread has this in it, "In Monument, Colo., a disgruntled valedictorian who misled school officials about the content of her speech is going to court. Erica Corder was one of several speakers during graduation ceremonies at Lewis-Palmer High School in May 2006. Students were required to clear their speeches with the principal first. Corder did so, but then added sermonizing later."

They gave her the podium and she spoke. Is this not what you all call freedom of speech?
She used her now they wish to force her to apoligize. If she does not they will deny her, her diploma.

I see it as very hypocritical to have what you want in one hand and deny others that same right in the other hand.

Sued for prayer in public school:
National Heritage Academies - Vanguard Charter Academy Lawsuit

Shoot on this forum they even want to make an issue over Christmas carols sung in public schools as being illegal.

Children have been unable to use their Bibles for reading credits or as any regular novel could be used in normal class room settings.
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I don't know if they limit the term "religion" to actual established recognized religions. Just because some group decides to "worship the devil" I'm not sure they should be allowed to do so.
I've never heard of the Satanistas. I don't know. But someone might worship their car, but I don't think that's a religion.
So, are you saying that you would want our government to have the ability to "allow" the free speech in public schools of some belief systems, but not other possible belief systems?

And, why shouldn't people by "allowed" to worship the devil if they want to?
Old 10-06-2007, 02:51 PM   #13 (permalink)
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....even if other people in the audience have no desire to take part in that "practice?"

And I suppose equal time would be granted to devil worshippers and such?
As Wicca (commonly referred to as 'witchcraft') is a recognized religion (even as far as recognizing the symbols on headstones at Arlington!) by the U.S. government, they would have to be given equal time.

Wouldn't you love to see the Holy Rollers screaming and squawking the day the announcements include references to the Lord and the Lady, as well, Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate and Demetre - not to mention, the Horned God?!
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So, are you saying that you would want our government to have the ability to "allow" the free speech in public schools of some belief systems, but not other possible belief systems?

And, why shouldn't people by "allowed" to worship the devil if they want to?
I think the government should be allowed to control what our children are exposed to. It's not a new concept really. I do think any perspective "belief system" that isn't part of the many mainstream variations should pass some type of review. I don't believe in an "anything goes" situation around my child.
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I see it as very hypocritical to have what you want in one hand and deny others that same right in the other hand.

I don't believe ANY religion should be proselytizing in the public school system.

Shoot on this forum they even want to make an issue over Christmas carols sung in public schools as being illegal.

It's not illegal. It's unconstitutional. If it were illegal, people would go to jail for doing it. They don't.

Children have been unable to use their Bibles for reading credits or as any regular novel could be used in normal class room settings.
I would like links to these stories - and the ages of the students involved.


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I think the government should be allowed to control what our children are exposed to. It's not a new concept really. I do think any perspective "belief system" that isn't part of the many mainstream variations should pass some type of review. I don't believe in an "anything goes" situation around my child.
And, in the case of this legislation, if I didn't want my kids to be forced to hear Christian prayers, for instance, what then?

And, why should they be forced to hear beliefs that I may not agree with any more than beliefs you don't want your kids to hear that you may not agree with?
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As Wicca (commonly referred to as 'witchcraft') is a recognized religion (even as far as recognizing the symbols on headstones at Arlington!) by the U.S. government, they would have to be given equal time.

Wouldn't you love to see the Holy Rollers screaming and squawking the day the announcements include references to the Lord and the Lady, as well, Isis, Astarte, Diana, Hecate and Demetre - not to mention, the Horned God?!
Methinks this legislation could produce, in practice, something with which they didn't foresee.
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And, in the case of this legislation, if I didn't want my kids to be forced to hear Christian prayers, for instance, what then?

And, why should they be forced to hear beliefs that I may not agree with any more than beliefs you don't want your kids to hear that you may not agree with?


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At last some common sense legislation so students who are believers can practice their faith. Children spend a third of their lives in school. On a whole parents have less time with their children than school teachers. Students have suffered at the hands of extreme hate mongers for years saying what they had a right to believe and not believe concerning their religion, faith and beliefs. They have not been allowed to use the one most important book of poetry and history ever written to even learn and study from in the past.
Nothing has ever interfered with students practicing their faith. No one has any authority to tell students what they have a right to believe and not believe...until this legislation.


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Children now have the right in Texas to learn about faith and religions throughout the world.
Children have always had that right in every state.


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Some people would prefer to teach by force of saying, "You have no right to believe in God or that Bible here. This is a public school!"

Peaceful religions of every type throughout the world make prayers and supplications. Now students in Texas have these same rights
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Hogwash!! Students everywhere have always had the right to pray whenever and wherever they wish...of course, they do have to do it silently during school time.



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Parents who have taught their own children at home due to the public schools refusals to allow their children to learn from their chosen books and pray through the day, now have an alternative. For those who cannot afford private school but wish to have their children learn from the Bible also now have a choice for their children.

Congradulations Texas you have spoken to protect the rights of faith for those who are young with faith and trust in God whatever their religion of choice may be.

We may consider moving to Texas. It is a very beautiful state.
You may not like it so well when members of other faiths such as Wicca, Hindu, Islam, native American use the schools as a public forum to proclaim their faiths.
The greatest danger to liberty lurks in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.

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