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Old 10-08-2007, 11:46 AM   #21 (permalink)
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Old 10-10-2007, 07:52 AM   #22 (permalink)
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Muslim medical students get picky
Some Muslim medical students are refusing to attend lectures or answer exam questions on alcohol-related or sexually transmitted diseases because they claim it offends their religious beliefs.

Some trainee doctors say learning to treat the diseases conflicts with their faith, which states that Muslims should not drink alcohol and rejects sexual promiscuity.

A small number of Muslim medical students have even refused to treat patients of the opposite sex. One male student was prepared to fail his final exams rather than carry out a basic examination of a female patient.

The religious objections by students have been confirmed by the British Medical Association (BMA) and General Medical Council (GMC), which both stressed that they did not approve of such actions.

It will intensify the debate sparked last week by the disclosure that Sainsbury’s is permitting Muslim checkout operators to refuse to handle customers’ alcohol purchases on religious grounds. It means other members of staff have to be called over to scan in wine and beer for them at the till.

Critics, including many Islamic scholars, see the concessions as a step too far, and say Muslims are reneging on their professional responsibilities.
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Jesus flippin christ... these med students should be failed and sent the fuck home..

It is UNBELIEVABLY STUPID of them to refuse to learn about alcohol and STDs on religious grounds.. Knowledge of a problem doesn't make you an accomplice and knowing how to treat a disease can nerver be against Islam.

Just because Islam disallows premarital sex and alcohol, it does not mean that one has to study under the assumption that it never happens. Pakistani doctors face STDs and alcohol related illness all the time and they treat it.. MUSLIM doctors in a MUSLIM country treating MUSLIM patients. THese students do not have the right to impose their moral codex upon their curriculum.. They should learn or fuck off and make place for somebody who wants to become a PROPER DOCTOR.. one who will treat ANYTHING in his power..

I'm sorry it makes me real mad.. Even Sainsbury's pandering to the "muslim special treatment" movement is maddening. THose people shouldn't work in Sainsbury's if its such a big flippin deal.
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Old 10-10-2007, 08:00 AM   #23 (permalink)
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Nope, they should be shown the door. If they want a "Muslim" education, they should be educated in a "Muslim" country. Otherwise they fail.
THe really STUPID part of the whole thing is that if they were educated in a muslim country like pakistan they would learn all of these things as a part of their curriculum, and they would have to treat patients like that too.. It is a dispensation that they cannot get in a muslim country and they certainly have no right demanding it anywhere else.

That said, there is ONE thing though.. In muslim countries the gender difference is taken into account. This is more because of patient preference than the demands of the doctors. In most muslim countries people are shy about their bodies particularly with the opposite sex.

BUt that is something that arises from cultural and social norms.. NOT from the religious affiliation of the medical practitioner.

I say again.. WHile it is perhaps ok to show flexibility on the gender issue, those students demanding the right t5o NOT learn certain medical facts and practices should simply not be allowed to become doctors.. THey will be INCOMPLETE doctors and as such have no business taking care of others. Chuck them out i say.
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That said, there is ONE thing though.. In muslim countries the gender difference is taken into account. This is more because of patient preference than the demands of the doctors. In most muslim countries people are shy about their bodies particularly with the opposite sex.

BUt that is something that arises from cultural and social norms.. NOT from the religious affiliation of the medical practitioner.
That's generally true in the UK, too, now - not for religious reasons, but to protect both doctor and patient. If I see my doctor (who is a woman), I'm asked at reception if I have any objection to being seen by a woman doctor if it's going to involve a bodily examination. Similarly, female patients are asked the same question if a male doctor is involved, or a female doctor or nurse may be present in the room at the patient's request.
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That's generally true in the UK, too, now - not for religious reasons, but to protect both doctor and patient. If I see my doctor (who is a woman), I'm asked at reception if I have any objection to being seen by a woman doctor if it's going to involve a bodily examination. Similarly, female patients are asked the same question if a male doctor is involved, or a female doctor or nurse may be present in the room at the patient's request.
It's that way in the US, at least for gynocological exams. I have a woman OB/GYN, but there were times when I have been seen by male doctors, and when they do an exam, a female nurse is in the room.
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It's that way in the US, at least for gynocological exams. I have a woman OB/GYN, but there were times when I have been seen by male doctors, and when they do an exam, a female nurse is in the room.
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i couldn't agree more with the already posted responses about chosing that field to work in. they really need to own up to their responsiblity and assume the postion. for example what a woman doctor aint' going to work on a patient who is dying from a gunshot to the groin coz of religious preference and let him die. it's ludacrious.
it's not like they are a barber/hairsalon tech who can tell their customers i' can't work on your hair i only do woman's. which i've seen happen.
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i personally only get seen by a man doctor. it's just seems kinda not right a woman checking you down under. i feel degraded afterwards. (evily smiling)
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That's generally true in the UK, too, now - not for religious reasons, but to protect both doctor and patient. If I see my doctor (who is a woman), I'm asked at reception if I have any objection to being seen by a woman doctor if it's going to involve a bodily examination. Similarly, female patients are asked the same question if a male doctor is involved, or a female doctor or nurse may be present in the room at the patient's request.
I have had the same internist for almost 20 years. I figure that if and when he decides to retire, I suppose I would accept whatever the clinic gave me. I've been seen by woman physicians before, the last time who stitched my hand 19 years ago.
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