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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 10-18-2007, 03:27 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Okay, now these are true...

My mom had a friend who's name was Golden (Goldie for short)

She married a guy name Fred Brown.

I also had a friend who's name was Wendy Saling (that was her married name).
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Old 10-18-2007, 04:44 PM   #22 (permalink)
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My granddad's middle name was "Bland".
Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a light unto my path. Psalm 119:105
Old 10-18-2007, 04:51 PM   #23 (permalink)
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My grandmother's first name was Welcome. But she went by her middle name, Weltha.
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Old 10-18-2007, 05:45 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Truth!!! I never thought about it being funny before, but my daddy's dad, which means my grandpa 'ceptin' for how I never met him cos he died of the influenza in 1918 when my daddy was only knee high to a grasshopper himself, well all the same, his name was Bernt.

Can you imagine if it was time for him to "give a toast" at a party and needed the nudge, if someone would have said, "Bernt...the toast!!!"

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...so what he is really saying is that God told him to lie. To deny the "allegations" and that only because the ones filing the lawsuit have, in his opinion, impure motives for making the case at all.

Note he never said that God told him to deny the claims because they are untrue, only because they were said to be filed out of intimidation, blackmail and extortion.

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Lets not condem the man before he has a day in court though
Old 10-18-2007, 10:25 PM   #26 (permalink)
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Lets not condem the man before he has a day in court though
Grace, I don't mean to condemn him, but he condemned the people that brought these allegations to light. And truth be told, they may have really been grieved in their heart to be compelled to do so.

And I do think it a strange thing that God said this and I do quote it from Garysher's OP that was a c&p : "
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"We live in a litigious society. Anyone can get mad and file a lawsuit against another person whether they have a legitimate case or not. This lawsuit ... is about intimidation, blackmail and extortion."
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Okay see here it says this: "
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He said God told him: "We live in a litigious society. Anyone can get mad and file a lawsuit against another person whether they have a legitimate case or not. This lawsuit ... is about intimidation, blackmail and extortion."
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I had no earthly idea that God would speak in the second person like that, and say "WE live in a litigious society. . . blah, blah, blah..." I would not have thought God counted himself as living in this society since he even did tell the believer that we are in the world but not of the world and we are to pray for God's will on earth even as it is in heaven. Do you suppose that even in heaven there is a litigious society?

Must be that ol' accuser of the brethren doing the celestial rounds again ...

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Old 10-19-2007, 06:40 AM   #27 (permalink)
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Grace, I don't mean to condemn him, but he condemned the people that brought these allegations to light. And truth be told, they may have really been grieved in their heart to be compelled to do so.

And I do think it a strange thing that God said this and I do quote it from Garysher's OP that was a c&p : " "

Okay see here it says this: ""

I had no earthly idea that God would speak in the second person like that, and say "WE live in a litigious society. . . blah, blah, blah..." I would not have thought God counted himself as living in this society since he even did tell the believer that we are in the world but not of the world and we are to pray for God's will on earth even as it is in heaven. Do you suppose that even in heaven there is a litigious society?

Must be that ol' accuser of the brethren doing the celestial rounds again ...

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Im not saying he isnt dumb for saying God spoke to him. All Im saying is it is possible that he is in fact innocent, and that would make his acuser's Liers. We wont know anything till the facts come out.
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Im not saying he isnt dumb for saying God spoke to him. All Im saying is it is possible that he is in fact innocent, and that would make his acuser's Liers. We wont know anything till the facts come out.
Grace, you are absolutely right. He may indeed be innocent of the allegations made against him. And I do not mean to think otherwise, though truth be told, I kind of do.

I just think that if a man is not guilty of those allegations he would come out and say so, rather than use the smokescreen of a "litigious society."

... and note, even God did not say he was innocent, only to deny guilt.

That would be like if one of my kids was accused of smoking in the girls' room at school. And I would say to her, "Deny it to the principal."

And go on to explain that she ought to deny it cos those darned teachers and hallway monitors are just out to try to make trouble for all the students.

When in fact, a good parent would only say"Tell the truth." And that meaning to deny guilt only if one is NOT guilty. "God's explanation" made him appear truly very guilty imho.

And I do wish it wasn't so.

I think you and I are in agreement Grace. I only struggle with presumption of guilt at this point, cos he is playing the God card and that quite ineffectively at that.

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Grace, you are absolutely right. He may indeed be innocent of the allegations made against him. And I do not mean to think otherwise, though truth be told, I kind of do.

I just think that if a man is not guilty of those allegations he would come out and say so, rather than use the smokescreen of a "litigious society."

... and note, even God did not say he was innocent, only to deny guilt.

That would be like if one of my kids was accused of smoking in the girls' room at school. And I would say to her, "Deny it to the principal."

And go on to explain that she ought to deny it cos those darned teachers and hallway monitors are just out to try to make trouble for all the students.

When in fact, a good parent would only say"Tell the truth." And that meaning to deny guilt only if one is NOT guilty. "God's explanation" made him appear truly very guilty imho.

And I do wish it wasn't so.

I think you and I are in agreement Grace. I only struggle with presumption of guilt at this point, cos he is playing the God card and that quite ineffectively at that.

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Well to tell the truth, I lean more tward him being quilty myself.
Old 10-19-2007, 08:20 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Well to tell the truth, I lean more tward him being quilty myself.
And on that we agree. Has there ever been a case where an executive has been brought up on charges such as this and been exonerated?
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