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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 10-26-2007, 03:16 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Its isnt even close to fact. (well some parts of it are) There is a ton of info that disproves much of what evolution teaches. They havent found a single example of a trasitionairy fossil. Not one. Are you a scientist? How are you able to determine what is "Hysterical junk" and what is not?

Grace, you just displayed ignorance on the topic right there. EVERY fossil is a "transitory" one.

Next, you're probably going to tell me "evolution is JUST a theory."

Do yourself a favor. Try learning about evolution from sources other than "Dr. Dino" websites... then you can at least argue from an informed point of view.

Evolution is a well-established fact with overwhelming evidence. There's no way around that. You might as well try arguing gravity doesn't really exist.

Now, as to the exact mechanics of evolution... that, we can argue over and have doubts about the various schools of thought (strict Darwinism being only one.)
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Old 10-26-2007, 03:25 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Its isnt even close to fact. (well some parts of it are) There is a ton of info that disproves much of what evolution teaches. They havent found a single example of a trasitionairy fossil.

Tell me, how hard is it for someone to go to Google and punch in a search key word like 'transitionary fossil'?

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ
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I thought this would be a hot conversation, looks like they negitive nancy's have been chased away already.
Negative Nancys?

ROFL!!

What, are we in grade school, now?
Old 10-26-2007, 03:34 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Negative Nancys?

ROFL!!

What, are we in grade school, now?
Depends on who you are talking about. Some of us sit around with our electronic fingers in our ears. Catch my drift?
Old 10-26-2007, 03:40 PM   #35 (permalink)
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What is there to even argue about?

Why scientists dismiss 'intelligent design' - LiveScience - MSNBC.com


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Old 10-26-2007, 03:55 PM   #36 (permalink)
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However after closly looking at DNA and how it works, its obvious, at least to me, that evolution is impossible. At least the part of evolution that says a species evolved into another.
Actually, the existence of a genetic code as being the program from which organisms are produced from IS the proof that evolution is real:

“Evolution is often considered as something unexpected. Wouldn’t it be more natural, some antievolutionists ask, if everything would always stay the same? Perhaps this was a valid question before we understood genetics, but it is no longer. In fact, the way organisms are structured, evolution is inevitable. Each organism, even the simplest bacterium, has a genome, consisting of thousands to many millions of base pairs. Observation has established that each base pair is subject to occasional mutation. Different populations have different mutations, and if they are isolated from each other, these populations inevitably become more different from each other from generation to generation. Even this simplest of all possible scenarios represents evolution. If one adds further biological processes, such as recombination and selection, the rate of evolution accelerates exponentially. Therefore, the mere fact of the existence of genetic programs makes the assumption of a stationary world impossible. Evolution is thus a plain fact, not a conjecture or assumption.

It is very questionable whether the term “evolutionary theory” should be used any longer. That evolution has occurred and takes place all the time is a fact so overwhelmingly established that is has become irrational to call it a theory. To be sure, there are particular evolutionary theories such as those of common descent, origin of life, gradualism, speciation, and natural selection, but scientific arguments about conflicting theories concerning these topics do not in any way affect the basic conclusion that evolution as such is a fact. It has taken place ever since the origin of life.”


“What Evolution Is”
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(Now, if populations of a single species become reproductively isolated from each other, there is always the possibility that they can no longer successfully breed together at some later date because of different genetic changes that take place within those separated populations...which means speciation has occured.)
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But what if the mechanism of evolution itself was "intelligently designed"? You have only proven evolution as a concept, but not proven whether intelligent design doesn't exist.

I think evolution itself is a part of whole, not the whole.
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But what if the mechanism of evolution itself was "intelligently designed"? You have only proven evolution as a concept, but not proven whether intelligent design doesn't exist.

I think evolution itself is a part of whole, not the whole.
Well, until the day arrives when science can be used to prove the existence or non-existence of intelligent design, you will just have to leave the discussion of intelligent design, with regards to biological evolution, within the realm of philosophy.
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You can philosophize human existence itself. So here we have another religion type dead end argument. I have no problem believing in evolution, but I think arguing about evolution is neglecting all the time before life ever appeared on this planet. Were we "seeded" by "someone", did we arrive on a comet, or did we just happen to appear out of nowhere? And what gave humans consciousness? Is it truly evolution, or were we helped along a bit by one of the crazy looking ancient "Gods" prayed to by some of our ancestors? The seeming need to have a "God" may have been genetically imprinted in us to control us by our "creators". I know this sounds crazy, but in the absence of true knowledge, all theories are on the table IMHO.
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You can philosophize human existence itself. So here we have another religion type dead end argument. I have no problem believing in evolution, but I think arguing about evolution is neglecting all the time before life ever appeared on this planet. Were we "seeded" by "someone", did we arrive on a comet, or did we just happen to appear out of nowhere? And what gave humans consciousness? Is it truly evolution, or were we helped along a bit by one of the crazy looking ancient "Gods" prayed to by some of our ancestors? The seeming need to have a "God" may have been genetically imprinted in us to control us by our "creators". I know this sounds crazy, but in the absence of true knowledge, all theories are on the table IMHO.
Perhaps, in a way, Humankind is both a master and a slave to its own intellect.

We have the ability to search for truth.

But, when those truths are revealed, they only tend to lead us to pose a host of new questions.

So, I doubt that "true knowledge" can ever really be found.

(Anyway, I've gotta go. Have a good night everyone.)
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