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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 10-26-2007, 06:04 PM   #41 (permalink)
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What is there to even argue about?

Why scientists dismiss 'intelligent design' - LiveScience - MSNBC.com


Note: Reputable news source cited....

But who created science and scientists?
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Old 10-26-2007, 07:50 PM   #42 (permalink)
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But who created science and scientists?
Dear Garysher,

Did you actually mean to use the word "create" in that sentence?

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Old 10-26-2007, 07:51 PM   #43 (permalink)
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Dear Garysher,

Did you actually mean to use the word "create" in that sentence?

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Old 10-26-2007, 07:59 PM   #44 (permalink)
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Ah you are a feisty one, aren't ya?

Okay. Here goes...
I am a believer, but for many a reason, I have had a huge paradigm shift and that started a few years back.

Thing is, I think that creation, intelligent design and evolution are likely merged to find what is. And the what was, well...what singular cell was on the other side of The Big Bang anyhow?

Here is a book for Dawkins fans that I did try to read over a year ago. I admittedly am not intelligent enough myself to grasp alot of stuff, but I try...

THE BOOK: River out of Eden

And here is an excerpt from it's cover that I find intriguing:
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By "reverse engineering," he deduces the purpose of life ("Gods Utility Function"). Hammering home the crucial role of gradualism in evolution, he confounds those who argue that every element of, say, an eye has to function perfectly or the whole system will collapse. But the engaging, personal, frequently provocative narrative that carries us along River out of Eden has a larger purpose: the book illustrates the nature of scientific reasoning, exposing the difficulties scientists face in explaining life. We learn that our assumptions, intuitions, origin myths, and trendy intellectual and cultural "isms" all too often lead us astray.


At any rate, I see room for a Master Designer on the other side of time, and yet see evolution as true...

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Old 10-26-2007, 09:18 PM   #45 (permalink)
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Just as humans used to think the earth was the center of the universe, I think possibly we are doing the same thing about our existence on this planet. We have almost dissected our genome and can nearly clone ourselves, if we haven't already. I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think we might have just been dropped off here. With a universe with as many stars as there are grains of sand on the beach, I think it's absolutely ludicrous to think that we are alone here. And if "evolution" was such a strong creator and sustainer or life, why don't we see any sign of it on other planets? I simply don't think we got here by accident, and either an intelligent "God" or an intelligent race much more advanced that we, placed us out here isolated on this planet.

There are documented paintings of flying beings before flight was even a dream. Were they ancient science fiction, or were they trying to tell us something?
Old 10-27-2007, 06:29 AM   #46 (permalink)
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Grace, you just displayed ignorance on the topic right there. EVERY fossil is a "transitory" one.
Prove it

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Next, you're probably going to tell me "evolution is JUST a theory."
Well, it IS just a theory. Litteraly.
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Do yourself a favor. Try learning about evolution from sources other than "Dr. Dino" websites... then you can at least argue from an informed point of view.
You have no Idea where I've learned my infomation on evolution, so stop pretending you do.
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Evolution is a well-established fact with overwhelming evidence. There's no way around that. You might as well try arguing gravity doesn't really exist.
That would depend on what type of evolution your talking about Macro, or Micro. One is proven, the other is most certaintly not.
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Tell me, how hard is it for someone to go to Google and punch in a search key word like 'transitionary fossil'?

Transitional Vertebrate Fossils FAQ


There isnt a single thing on there that cannot be refuted. Many scientist admit there isnt a single transitionary fossil. Its for people like you that this movie NEEDS to be made.
Old 10-27-2007, 07:12 AM   #48 (permalink)
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Actually, the existence of a genetic code as being the program from which organisms are produced from IS the proof that evolution is real:

“Evolution is often considered as something unexpected. Wouldn’t it be more natural, some antievolutionists ask, if everything would always stay the same? Perhaps this was a valid question before we understood genetics, but it is no longer. In fact, the way organisms are structured, evolution is inevitable. Each organism, even the simplest bacterium, has a genome, consisting of thousands to many millions of base pairs. Observation has established that each base pair is subject to occasional mutation. Different populations have different mutations, and if they are isolated from each other, these populations inevitably become more different from each other from generation to generation. Even this simplest of all possible scenarios represents evolution. If one adds further biological processes, such as recombination and selection, the rate of evolution accelerates exponentially. Therefore, the mere fact of the existence of genetic programs makes the assumption of a stationary world impossible. Evolution is thus a plain fact, not a conjecture or assumption.

It is very questionable whether the term “evolutionary theory” should be used any longer. That evolution has occurred and takes place all the time is a fact so overwhelmingly established that is has become irrational to call it a theory. To be sure, there are particular evolutionary theories such as those of common descent, origin of life, gradualism, speciation, and natural selection, but scientific arguments about conflicting theories concerning these topics do not in any way affect the basic conclusion that evolution as such is a fact. It has taken place ever since the origin of life.”


“What Evolution Is”
Ernst Mayr


(Now, if populations of a single species become reproductively isolated from each other, there is always the possibility that they can no longer successfully breed together at some later date because of different genetic changes that take place within those separated populations...which means speciation has occured.)

That stament is rediculas. That whole arument is rediculas. And is litteraly a cop out.
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That stament is rediculas. That whole arument is rediculas. And is litteraly a cop out.

Grace, your comment begs for more info. How is what baloney detector cited absurd and just a "cop out"?

Nothing against ya, but it's posts like that, just making an accusation without any kind of substance to counter the position you are against that doesn't do anything but judge and condemn someone for what they believe. Please consider instead shedding light on the subject by addressing how what he shared is ridiculous and of all things, a cop out.

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Prove it


Well, it IS just a theory. Litteraly.

You have no Idea where I've learned my infomation on evolution, so stop pretending you do.

That would depend on what type of evolution your talking about Macro, or Micro. One is proven, the other is most certaintly not.
Grace, I'm sorry but you're expressing your profound ignorance on the subject. Evolution is a theory in the same way the Earth revolving around the Sun is a theory. Scientific 'theories' are explanations for a specific set of data.

To suggest on the one hand that human causes in the deviations of minor characteristics (experiments proving micro-evolution) can exist and yet naturally occurring deviations cannot is absurd in my opinion. Not only is it spitting in the face of a profound mountain of scientific data to suggest that accepting macro-evolution is real as a 'leap of faith' (unsubstantiated belief), it is also inconsistent if you're to accept micro-evolution.

The only leap of faith is to posit a creator, precisely because there is no empirical data for such a creator. Therefore, it belongs in church not in the science room.

I don't think evolution is an 'alternative' to creation in the first place. It may, however, be an alternative to the literal interpretation of creation in the Bible, which is probably why basically only fundamentalists have their panties in a bunch over this.
"If you want to achieve peace of mind and happiness, then have faith; if you want to be a disciple of truth, then search" -- Friedrich Nietzsche

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