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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 01-07-2008, 10:31 PM   #131 (permalink)
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Well my pappy said it best, "When I am gone, placed in the ground and buried, I hope that the people that may dig me up in several thousand years do not think that I am as old as the the dirt that I am buried in." It does place a whole new meaning upon the phrase "old as dirt" does it not? Maybe you should look at just how accurate the "absolute" methodology that is claimed, actually is...Unreliability of Radiometric Dating and Old Age of the Earth

One last thing for you "ponder". Science is defined as finding the truth by observing that which is reproducible in nature, is it not? The "pseudo intellectual" claims that it can prove that life come about by natural methodology, correct? Why can the "pseudo scientist" not take an example of life, either in animal or plant, dismantle it, retain all the parts, and simply "REPRODUCE" that which is surely observed in nature? LIFE. (R)
I'd just like to say COP OUT..you were asked to prove the Bible is real and factual. And of course as you cannot prove any such thing so you did the typical cop-out.

There are Christians (and I don't care if you are one of them or not when all you Christians agree on doctrine other then the doctrine of the bible is not open to interpretation except when it suits us get back to me) who think Dinosaurs and man walked the earth at the same time. And then validate the intellectual dishonesty by claiming carbon dating and other such measurements aren't real or are often mistaken but then would love to carbon date the shroud of Turin time and time again to prove it is the image of Jesus...to which I say your sphincter said what???? Does the hypocrisy never strike any of you as odd??? If one of the whack jobs who search the Mountain looking for pieces of Noahs Ark actually found a piece of it how the hell do you think they'd prove it is Noah's Ark???..do they hope to find the piece that says SS Noah's Ark???


To prove the Bible incorrect it'd have to be correct to start with, something that actually can't be proven. The issue with the psuedo Christain is the complete lack of ability to prove anything. But there is the cop out which goes along the lines of When the bible was written it didn't really mean a day as we understand it..it was merely meant to reflect the Glory of God.

Either the bible is true and the word of God or its not..you can't have it both ways..if God didn't mean he created the world in 6 days and rested on the 7th why didn't he just say so to whomever you like to pretend wrote the Book...why make it so difficult to understand?? Why not just say what is true and what isn't and be done with it..why is he mesing with his own creations??Why be such a dick about it???

And when Noah put all the animals on the ark why the frig didn't he leave the fly and roach behind????

Btw we can artifically make life do you remember Doris??

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Oh I see you can choose what parts of the bible are real and what are just some ancient parochical trying to make sense of what we hitherto didn;t understand
I dont think you "see" anything. When did I say I didnt believe any part of the bible???

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does God know you pick and choose what is real and what is metaphor???
I dont pick and choose anything. If the bible says one part is a metaphor, then thats what it is (parables, and such) show me where I picked and choose to believe in certain things.

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why is there no humor in the bible??
There isnt any humor in science books, yet you believe those.
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I am not the only one who thinks the lack of humor is the weirdest thing in literary history btw.
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Didn't God create everything and thus humor and the ability to laugh would be part of the things he created??? SO why did he leave it out of his book could it be because the writers and the first Council of Nicaea, where trying to make God so freakin scary so no-one would ever go against it..although the Jonah and Noah stories are funny because its clearly crap but the humor is unintentional..as is the entire book of revelation..somone took LSD the day that crap was written..its like reading Hunter S Thompson's "Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas" (again however the humor of it is unintentional)
Its more than obvious that you never actually read the bible. It encourages us to laugh, says its good for the body and the soul. but Then your to busy making up stupid crap about the scriptures to know that.

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You can safely assume you created God in your own image when it turns out he hates/dislikes the exact same people as you do..whacky how that works isn't it
Now your just being a asshole. I dont hate/dislike anyone. The only thing wacky around here is you.
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I dont think you "see" anything. When did I say I didnt believe any part of the bible???


So the world was created in exactly 6 days as we understand them and as is stated in the Book of Genesis??? Or are you going to say well we mis understand time again..because it says 6 days and on the 7th he sat about doing nothing other then congratulating himself..

I dont pick and choose anything. If the bible says one part is a metaphor, then thats what it is (parables, and such) show me where I picked and choose to believe in certain things.


Do you really think there were dragons in the sky as described in the Book of Revelations??? Because that is what it says...Do you think that Noah got every single animal on an ark and God flooded the entire world as it says ..if you don't believe then you are picking and choosing


There isnt any humor in science books, yet you believe those.

No I don't believe in all Science and science books are NOT literary in any respect..they are factual and the Bible is not factual and you didn't answer the query..if God created everything which includes humor why the hell did he leave it our of his book??

Yes you are.


Its more than obvious that you never actually read the bible. It encourages us to laugh, says its good for the body and the soul. but Then your to busy making up stupid crap about the scriptures to know that.

Honey I have a degree in Theology from an Ivy League University so you'd be very very very wrong..I also taught theology..I was also one point an acolyte at my Church, an alter server, was a rostered reader, was a member of several Catholic organizations shall I go on??, what is clear to me is that you have never bothered to deepened your faith by questioning any of it..further what is also clear to me is that like all Christains you feel free to attack everyone else but cannot actually deal with anyone who questions you but of course cannot see and or admit this is what you are doing...I am not making any of it up..is there something I have said that is not in the Bible?? I am merely presenting what is written, the fact that none of it makes sense because of what we know now due to science is your problem not mine

if I was going to believe again I'd again be a Catholic because Catholics are the only true Christains every one else is a Catholic cult.



Now your just being a asshole. I dont hate/dislike anyone. The only thing wacky around here is you.

Tell me what do you think of homosexuals..don't give me the love the sinner and hate the sin crap..its a cop out...because homosexuals are defined by the actual sin..in which case how handy that God dislikes the same people you do
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Amen, it is very obvious that there is a lot more knowledge in this universe, than what could be contained in bible. So god also summed that up in one statement, " Heaven and Earth declare my glory"
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Tell me what do you think of homosexuals..don't give me the love the sinner and hate the sin crap..its a cop out...because homosexuals are defined by the actual sin..in which case how handy that God dislikes the same people you do
sin is sin, and everyone is a sinner, just as one sin is no different as the next.
If i'm a theif, and you are homosexual then we are in the same boat. Yes they are different, but in gods eyes, we both punishable to hell. So that is why you hear love the sinner not the sin, in essence if I were to hate you for being homosexual then I would be saying I'm better than you, wich is a lie! Jesus makes it clear when he said "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god". It is only out of love a person has the right to say anything to another, but it isnt to put them down, it should be to encourage them to turn to god for forgiveness
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sin is sin, and everyone is a sinner, just as one sin is no different as the next.
If i'm a theif, and you are homosexual then we are in the same boat. Yes they are different, but in gods eyes, we both punishable to hell. So that is why you hear love the sinner not the sin, in essence if I were to hate you for being homosexual then I would be saying I'm better than you, wich is a lie! Jesus makes it clear when he said "all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of god". It is only out of love a person has the right to say anything to another, but it isnt to put them down, it should be to encourage them to turn to god for forgiveness

How wonderful that you not only think everyone who thinks there is nothing wrong with homosexuality is actually a homosexual but that you and God agree.

Tell me do you really think that no-one thought murder was wrong BEFORE Moses bought the templates down with the 10 commandments??? Why do I ask this question?? Because murder was seen as wrong before Moses bought the templates down with the 10 commandments so it looks like the templates reflected what was already established as wrong and thus I say again you know when the concept of God is man made when it turns out he dislikes/hates the same people as you do

When Missonaries arrived in China for the first time they were asked by the a leading Taosit Monk if the Christain God is the one true God why did it take him so long to tell the Chinese about it. Good question I think.

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So the world was created in exactly 6 days as we understand them and as is stated in the Book of Genesis??? Or are you going to say well we mis understand time again..because it says 6 days and on the 7th he sat about doing nothing other then congratulating himself..

From the text it could mean a period of time, or single days. So that means thats its possible that either are true. BTW it doesnt say anywhere that God congragulated himself. Its sad how bitter you are twards God, really sad.

Do you really think there were dragons in the sky as described in the Book of Revelations??? Because that is what it says...

Read the book of Daniel, it will help you out in understanding revelations.

Do you think that Noah got every single animal on an ark and God flooded the entire world as it says ..if you don't believe then you are picking and choosing

I think he got every species, not every sub species. Ralph covered this subject very well, you should read up on it.


No I don't believe in all Science and science books are NOT literary in any respect..they are factual and the Bible is not factual and you didn't answer the query..if God created everything which includes humor why the hell did he leave it our of his book??

Ecclesiastes 3:4
a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance,

He didnt


Honey I have a degree in Theology from an Ivy League University so you'd be very very very wrong..I also taught theology..I was also one point an acolyte at my Church, an alter server, was a rostered reader, was a member of several Catholic organizations shall I go on??, what is clear to me is that you have never bothered to deepened your faith by questioning any of it..
Who the hell are you to tell me about my faith? You have no Idea what I have questioned. Why do you say that? Cause if I had I should think just like you?? What a crock. You dont know me at all, so lets stop pretending like you do.

further what is also clear to me is that like all Christains you feel free to attack everyone else but cannot actually deal with anyone who questions you
Who have I attacked???I share the truth of the scriptures, nothing more nothing less. Getting alittle paranoid are we? If the truth hurts you so bad, mabey you should be going to places were you wont hear any.

but of course cannot see and or admit this is what you are doing...I am not making any of it up..is there something I have said that is not in the Bible?? I am merely presenting what is written, the fact that none of it makes sense because of what we know now due to science is your problem not mine

What science has proven the bible wrong?? You seem to be the one with the problem, not me.


if I was going to believe again I'd again be a Catholic because Catholics are the only true Christains every one else is a Catholic cult.

Ahh, I see that money on your "ivy league" education was a wasted on you. Know ye not that "if two or more come together in my name than that is a TEMPLE, and shurly I dwell among you"


Tell me what do you think of homosexuals..don't give me the love the sinner and hate the sin crap..its a cop out...because homosexuals are defined by the actual sin..in which case how handy that God dislikes the same people you do
I love all people equaly, as commanded by the scriptures to do so. I also (like my father in heaven) wish that no man should perish, but that ALL receive eternal life. There is only one way for that to happen, and thats through the truth of the scriptures. So what you perceive as attacks, are in truth, true love. Truth is the only thing that can save us.

"professing themselfs wise, they became fools"

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No I don't want too




From the text it could mean a period of time, or single days. So that means thats its possible that either are true. BTW it doesnt say anywhere that God congragulated himself. Its sad how bitter you are twards God, really sad.

No the text says (KJB) 31 And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day.

OK when he saw everything he made and it was good he wasn't congratulating himself merely just stating it was good..sort of anti climatic its just good not great. It says 6 days The fact you know it isn't possible that it was created in 6 days and so do the typical dance of well it may not mean 6 actual days" is your problem not Gods, it says 6 days..

I am not bitter towards God because there is nothing to be bitter towards..there is no God


Read the book of Daniel, it will help you out in understanding revelations.

I don't have issue understanding revelations do you think Daniel really saw what he saw because that Mofo be trippin. And in fact the book of Daniel doesn';t supply the fullpicture you also need Ezekiel 1, 8, 10, 40-48, Isaiah 53, Zach. 1-8, Joel 1, 2 , Psalm 2:8, 9, Exodus 1-14, John 21:21-23, Thess,4 13:18, Matthew 24:36 Apoc 13:17, Matthew 21 15-22, Genesis 3, 31 ..should I go on???. DO you think I mentioned Revelations by accident?? No I mention it because like Daniel it is clearly written in Metaphor which just begs the question how much else is written in metaphor and isn't literal and if it is written in metaphor becuase of the fear of repression and well their lives why not come back now and explain it in simple terms so everyone can be on the same page. Why send a lightening bolt down to some other semi literate seer so they can fix the confusion??? You explain it to me and you didn't bother to answer Jonah or Lot



I think he got every species, not every sub species. Ralph covered this subject very well, you should read up on it.

Really he got every species on the Ark. You can't even prove their was an ark nor a great flood other then referencing the material in question??? And if he got every single animal on board WTF happened to the Dinosaurs??? Ralph had a nice theory but as Christains don't believe in theory particularily the theory of evoltuon as it pertains to there not being a God in particular you can't now put forward theory ..sorry I know you are use to being hypocrites but nope..sorry stop being intellectually dishonest

And tell me did Noahs kids kids have 4 heads because well they'd have had to marry their 2nd cousins..there is so much inbreeding in the bible....



Ecclesiastes 3:4
a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance,

He didnt

see that line isn't actually funny.. the bible has no humor..its weird and odd and many papers have been written on the weirdness of this..here is a thought maybe you should actually read one of them so you become informed..I know what a concept


Who the hell are you to tell me about my faith? You have no Idea what I have questioned. Why do you say that? Cause if I had I should think just like you?? What a crock. You dont know me at all, so lets stop pretending like you do.



Who have I attacked???I share the truth of the scriptures, nothing more nothing less. Getting alittle paranoid are we? If the truth hurts you so bad, mabey you should be going to places were you wont hear any

Who the hell are you to tell other people how to live their lives because of what YOU believe. Please don't be so dishonest as to pretend your position is any but..You believe that the only people going to heaven are those who believe what you believe how wonderful for you..you state in below and no matter which way you phrase it..it is an attck on other people..it is threatening them with eternal damnation how is this not an attack?? to suggest otherwise reveals the inner hypocrisy of Christain belief..please don't be so intellectually dishonest as to suggest other wise. And when you question what I believe be sure that I shall question what you believe.

Don't worry unless you are a Catholic you are on the highway to hell with me..



What science has proven the bible wrong?? You seem to be the one with the problem, not me.

I am not even going to bother with Noah because you actually believe it is possible..this is clearly one of the times describe in your Ecc. quote


Do you know what a Theory is?? A scientific theory?? a Theor ys something developed to fit knows FACTS. Its a successful theory if it survives the introduction of hitherto unkown facts (just as evolution has) and it is a successful theory (aka factual) if it can make accurate predictions about things that have not yet been discovered or have no occured. We can safely assume that the Theory of Evolution will be come such a theory in time to come the fact evolition is a long and ongoing process means we have to wait..but at the moment it is an accepted theory..and creationism isn't even a theory



Ahh, I see that money on your "ivy league" education was a wasted on you. Know ye not that "if two or more come together in my name than that is a TEMPLE, and shurly I dwell among you

Sorry the Catholics are the real Christains the rest of you are denying the truth of Gods word..a pain in the ass when someone damns you to hell because of what you belief isn't it??? Welcome to the club..and I do think Catholics are the true Christains..I hate to tell you THEY WROTE THE BOOK

Why not folllow the advice in the book you folow btw



And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites [are]: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

But thou, when thou prayest, enter into thy closet, and when thou hast shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret; and thy Father which seeth in secret shall reward thee openly.

But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen [do]: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking.


Mathhew 6 one of the least read parts of the bible..shame really you could actually follow the advice given



I love all people equaly, as commanded by the scriptures to do so. I also (like my father in heaven) wish that no man should perish, but that ALL recieve eternal life. There is only one way for that to happen, and thats through the truth of the scriptures. So what you percieve as attacks, are in truth, true love. Truth is the only thing that can save us.

See you are not loving anyone if you threaten them with hell if they have different beliefs to you..you are attacking them ..I know you like to pretend otherwise but I am not goingto let you lie that is bearing false witness and saying that you love people you damn to hell for no other reason then they have a different opinion to you is well bearing false witness..and I hate to tell you but you don't like me even a bit let alone love me..please don't unsult your own intelligence by giving me the no I really do love you I just don't like you or have any respect for you crap

"professing themselfs wise, they became fools"
I never said I was wise..that is what you are doing in your attempt to be condescending..I am so amused..you keep telling other how to live their lives or else they are on the highway to hell..you claim to know what God thinks...

Todays Christains have reduced God to a bumper sticker slogan..do you really think he gives a crap if you honk your car horn because you believe???

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How wonderful that you not only think everyone who thinks there is nothing wrong with homosexuality is actually a homosexual but that you and God agree.

Tell me do you really think that no-one thought murder was wrong BEFORE Moses bought the templates down with the 10 commandments??? Why do I ask this question?? Because murder was seen as wrong before Moses bought the templates down with the 10 commandments so it looks like the templates reflected what was already established as wrong and thus I say again you know when the concept of God is man made when it turns out he dislikes/hates the same people as you do

When Missonaries arrived in China for the first time they were asked by the a leading Taosit Monk if the Christain God is the one true God why did it take him so long to tell the Chinese about it. Good question I think.
I wasnt stateting that everyone who thinks homosexuality is wrong becomes or is concidered a homosexual. I was stateing that the bible tells us that from Gods veiw point ( he/God is without sin ) all sin is punishable to death/hell. Your question I believe was, what is your opinion on homosexuality? And you desired a responce that didnt include love the sinner hate the sin. Well the bible is true, and the bible proclaims that all have sinned and are equal in that measure. So If i were to give you a awnser, that differed from that basic truth, I would then be saying, that if you are a homosexual then I am better than you. Which isnt true. We are taught, through the bible that we are all equal in our need for a savior. When a person strays from the love the sinner hate the sin montra,he is forgetting that wether or not you are gay, or a theif, or a murderer ect... we all need to love one another, gods word guides us to all truth, not one another. We have no right to hate Homosexuals, but Gods word does say that it is wrong.
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