Originally Posted by Man Of Tomorrow

We aren't all victims. I have to disagree with that. The American Atheist group in Utah isn't a victim in this. They made themselves out to be the main victim. That was the sad and pathetic thing about this. They basically shined an unwanted light on these families that weren't looking for any type of trouble or attention. All they wanted were their family members and friends to be honored the right way. They didn't hurt anyone's feelings by buying those memorials with their own money. The AA of Utah had to come along and play victim. They are wrong for that.

Originally Posted by Man Of Tomorrow

The AA doesn't have a case. The crosses were privately purchased with the families own money. They are secular symbols. They aren't plain crosses with nothing on them. If that were the case then the AA would have a case. The crosses had badge numbers and names of the fallen troopers. Making them memorials and not in violation of the first amendment. If it were taxpayer money then I could see this on another level but it was private money. Thats like if I had purchased a cross symbol for my loved one's grave site in a cemetary close to a major highway and a group of Atheists took notice and tried to sue me. It wouldn't hold up because i bought that cross with my own hard earned money. Also, if commonsense is a personal conviction then I hope the deciding judge lets that cloud this silly lawsuit these instigating Atheists are trying to push foward.

Originally Posted by CrazyFlamingos

Originally Posted by Man Of Tomorrow

I'm not one to be intolerant of many things in today's world. I know how things are and how times have changed, therefore I understand why things have gone to the dogs so to speak. One thing I can't seem to get over is the controversy over a series of crosses that were put up in Utah as a memorial for fallen state troopers. I don't find the cross thing absurd. The part I dislike in this whole situation is the outcry by members of the American Atheist in Utah.

They are trying to bring about a lawsuit because they claim that the crosses represent Jesus Christ, and therefore violate the first amendment. Some of the American Atheist members that were on tv have been verbally attacked by the likes of Glen Beck and Sean Hannity. Obviously, both are conservatives. Understandable. Well, as neither conservative nor liberal I am going to take time and sorta join the fray of attack against these atheist instigators. First of all, I find it very disrespectful of the American Athiest group to go after innocent people trying to pay homage to their friends and loved ones. Have we come to this in our country? Where some of us are so anti that we are willing to disregard another person's feelings and beliefs just because we don't agree with them? Its absolutely rediculious.

Secondly, the crosses don't violate the first amendment. The crosses were bought by private firms with their own money. These crosses were not paid for with taxpayers' money. If that were the case then maybe those stick in the asses from the AA would have a case. Fact is, they don't. What we are witnessing is a case of "panty in twist" They are angry at the fact that its a cross. Nothing more. They are fishing for ways to attack Christian faith. They aren't tolerant. They forget that freedom of religion goes both ways. How could you be so cold hearted and selfish? The Utah State Trooper Association has said that the crosses represent a reminder for drivers to slow down, as well as memorials for fallen troopers. They are secular symbols. Athiests of Utah, get over it and get over yourselves.

I'm coming at this as a christian and a human being. If I were an atheist I still wouldn't have a problem with the crosses. It wouldn't make me wanna sue anyone thats for sure. Why waste time on an issue that doesn't include you? Your just as wrong as you claim those who set up the crosses to be. Your pushing yourselves into a situtation that didn't even concern you in the first place. You didn't have to get offended by those crosses. Their obviously memorials. They aren't plain crosses that are just there with notihng on them. They have the names of the troopers and badge numbers on them. An infant could see that they are memorials. Leave it to atheists to get all bent out of shape over something that isn't a big deal.

It offends me personally that they want to rain on families that are trying to find ways to deal with their loss. How do atheists deal with their family tragedies? Do they ignore them? Do they just pretend or refuse the fact that family members die? I mean why not, they don't believe in anything anyway.

Stop picking on these people that are going through enough already. They've been through alot of sad events. Last thing they need is a bunch of stiff atheists breathing down their necks. Heres a tip for the small ignorant group of atheists in Utah that represent the AA. Go back to your homes under the bridge and leave those families alone. Your ignorance and selfish behavior is not welcome. I don't care about your anger or your frustration that isn't warranted. You have no right to be offended. You have no right to want to bring a lawsuit to this matter. Your wrong. I don't know who you people answer to in the end but sooner or later your senseless outcries will have to carry some weight. So far, especially with this matter you've just given another reason why most of the country find you to be weird and bitter. Keep it up, we all need something to laugh at in the news these days.

So people of all beliefs and moral standing. What do you think about this matter going down in Utah.

Who's wrong?, Who's right?

Who's the real victims in this situation?

Originally Posted by Gadgetory

I think its brave to be an atheist in Utah ..they are afterall nutty religious people..in fact I think its brave to be an atheists in any redneck backward state run by neo Christains...although debate is out on whether Mormons are actually "Christains"...


I think we live in a country in which people are allowed to express their personal beliefs. This is not China. Just as the firm and people who paid for and planted the crosses are able to, people are allowed to take offense. It may be a futile waste of time but so long as this is still the United States of America and not a neo theoracy (as we are fast becomming) they have every right to protest. That is the cost we all pay for our own freedom. We have to put up with other peoples beliefs so that we can have our own. Religious people should stop whining all the freakin time they take offense at the drop of a hat. Religious people need to acept that not everyone believes what they do in fact some of us sit about stracthing our heads and wonder why anyone would believe in anything so clearly made up and without any proof.

As for State Troopers who die whilst they are doing a job they get paid for I feel sorry for anyone's family who die whilst they are doing a job they get paid for and also feel for the families of anyone who dies whilst not engaged in paid employ. I don't need to buy them a cross however that seems sort of tacky.

I also find it odd that Mormons and lets face it considering the State is about 90% Mormon most of the people involved are Mormons who do not have crosses on their churches and in fact see it as a type of false idol would out crosses anywhere..its hypocritical..oh wait we are talking religious people so of course its hypocritical..