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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 12-23-2007, 11:13 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Not all Quakers adhere to the strictest interpretations of plain-ness of dress. It's merely another human act of submission but is not required of faith.

When it comes the Bible, I think that it is a book that is inspired by God but I don't think that it is the ultimate Word of God. Hopefully that makes sense as it becomes difficult to explain... I think that study of the Bible IN CONCERT with the continuing revelation (prayer/meditation/reflection) brings to the individual the true understanding of God and His wishes. I think that the Bible is in part a test. Blind faith or reasoned obedience and true faith? Not that I criticize my Christian brothers and sisters as it's terribly frightening to move beyond blind obedience into true faith or in better terms an active personal relationship with God.
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Old 12-23-2007, 11:15 AM   #32 (permalink)
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The three days before Christmas, December 22, 23, and 24, the sun appears to be on the same inclination on the horizon for those 3 days. The longer days then begin as the renewal of Spring is finally approaching. Any coincidence that Jesus was resurrected after 3 days and we celebrate his birth on December 25?

I really dont know if that has anything to do with it PN. I have always heard that the soul reason we used that day was to help the pagans switch over to Christianity smoothly. Interesting question though.
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Not all Quakers adhere to the strictest interpretations of plain-ness of dress. It's merely another human act of submission but is not required of faith.

When it comes the Bible, I think that it is a book that is inspired by God but I don't think that it is the ultimate Word of God. Hopefully that makes sense as it becomes difficult to explain... I think that study of the Bible IN CONCERT with the continuing revelation (prayer/meditation/reflection) brings to the individual the true understanding of God and His wishes. I think that the Bible is in part a test. Blind faith or reasoned obedience and true faith? Not that I criticize my Christian brothers and sisters as it's terribly frightening to move beyond blind obedience into true faith or in better terms an active personal relationship with God.

I think anyone who believes, but hasnt seen, has moved into true faith.
Old 12-23-2007, 11:19 AM   #34 (permalink)
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The Giants are playing in 45 mins, so I gotta go soon.
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I think anyone who believes, but hasnt seen, has moved into true faith.
You are absolutely correct. I should have phrased my argument better. I apologize. I should have said blind obedience is not faith. There is a difference between the two. There are those that can read the Bible and follow every last edict, but never have faith.
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#3 No. blasphamy of the holy spirit is a unforgivable sin, that wont be forgiven in this life or the next.
I've heard this before, including from the Bible.

"Truly I say unto you, All their sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter: but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin: because they say, ‘He has an unclean spirit’. (Book of Mark 3:28-29)

He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. "
(Book of Matthew 12:30-32)

It truly is a ghastly set of tyrannical dogmas to consider an unforgivable sin, let alone one that is essentially dissent against a ruthless tyrant (God). It is especially ghastly to think that, in an expression of Christian doctrine (not a perversion), people like me (infidels) should be put to death, as in some way they are committing a sin greater than murder. As if that were not enough, infidels have no ability to redeem themselves; one small mental doubt in one's mind about the existence of the holy spirit is a ticket straight to hell and eternal suffering; it is unforgivable.

And to think Christians say their dogma isn't 'forced' onto others.
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Isn't today Sunday? Shouldn't you be in church begging for forgiveness for all your sins?
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You are absolutely correct. I should have phrased my argument better. I apologize. I should have said blind obedience is not faith. There is a difference between the two. There are those that can read the Bible and follow every last edict, but never have faith.

I would have disagreed with you, up till I saw the confessions of mother terisa(sp?). After seeing that, I think you have a point.
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I've heard this before, including from the Bible.

"Truly I say unto you, All their sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and whatever blasphemies they utter: but whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin: because they say, ‘He has an unclean spirit’. (Book of Mark 3:28-29)

He who is not with me is against me, and he who does not gather with me scatters. Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven men, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever says a word against the Son of man will be forgiven; but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. "
(Book of Matthew 12:30-32)

It truly is a ghastly set of tyrannical dogmas to consider an unforgivable sin, let alone one that is essentially dissent against a ruthless tyrant (God). It is especially ghastly to think that, in an expression of Christian doctrine (not a perversion), people like me (infidels) should be put to death, as in some way they are committing a sin greater than murder. As if that were not enough, infidels have no ability to redeem themselves; one small mental doubt in one's mind about the existence of the holy spirit is a ticket straight to hell and eternal suffering; it is unforgivable.

And to think Christians say their dogma isn't 'forced' onto others.
Your unforgivable sin is implying that I'm not funny and overpaid to be working in Iraq.
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Isn't today Sunday? Shouldn't you be in church begging for forgiveness for all your sins?

We got lots of family coming in for the holidays, so we skipped church this morning. I wont tell if you wont.
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