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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 12-23-2007, 12:28 PM   #61 (permalink)
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But I don't think every Christian is willfully pledging ignorance. You can take anything to an extreme. But I think that religion and specifically in this case Christianity, with temperance, leaves room for great intelligence and discovery while still retaining "faith".
And I think your new avatar is very annoying and stupid looking. Change it now as it displeases me.
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Old 12-23-2007, 12:29 PM   #62 (permalink)
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Not to mention all those pretty pictures from the "Hubble telescope" and the other instruments we have "orbiting our planet".

As I sit here watching "The Universe" on PVR.
Old 12-23-2007, 12:30 PM   #63 (permalink)
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And I think your new avatar is very annoying and stupid looking. Change it now as it displeases me.
Okay now I'm offended. That's me.

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Old 12-23-2007, 12:36 PM   #64 (permalink)
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But I don't think every Christian is willfully pledging ignorance.
They do it every Sunday.

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You can take anything to an extreme. But I think that religion and specifically in this case Christianity, with temperance, leaves room for great intelligence and discovery while still retaining "faith".
Of course. That isn't much of an argument, because it is somewhat irrelevant. Francis S. Collins, director of the human genome project is a 'faithful believer' and has in many instances debated religious skeptics such as Richard Dawkins. He's a genius when he walks into the laboratory, but that doesn't stop him from practicing intellectual laziness when he cracks open his Bible or attends religious service, or expresses ignorant inanities such as 'I believe in God as a positive with no evidence (as well as an unnecessary entity, and in violation of Occam's principle)', or 'I believe that when I drink wine in Sunday service, it turns into the blood of Jesus and the bread turns into the body of Jesus', or, 'I believe in the trinity, three separate but the same entities'.
"If you want to achieve peace of mind and happiness, then have faith; if you want to be a disciple of truth, then search" -- Friedrich Nietzsche

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Old 12-23-2007, 12:50 PM   #65 (permalink)
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They do it every Sunday.

Worshiping with others that believe as you do isn't pledging ignorance for all Christians. As we both know, not all people agree on anything.


Of course. That isn't much of an argument, because it is somewhat irrelevant. Francis S. Collins, director of the human genome project is a 'faithful believer' and has in many instances debated religious skeptics such as Richard Dawkins. He's a genius when he walks into the laboratory, but that doesn't stop him from practicing intellectual laziness when he cracks open his Bible or attends religious service, or expresses ignorant inanities such as 'I believe in God as a positive with no evidence (as well as an unnecessary entity, and in violation of Occam's principle)', or 'I believe that when I drink wine in Sunday service, it turns into the blood of Jesus and the bread turns into the body of Jesus', or, 'I believe in the trinity, three separate but the same entities'.
And I think painting all Christians as "ignorant" isn't any stronger of an argument that to be religious you have to "pledge ignorance". I think that's painting the religious with quite a broad brush. For example I'm agnostic and I don't necessarily believe in "The Bible" as a Christian would. But I do find much value in living life by MANY of it's teachings. Many I don't have the discipline to live up to myself.
And to put that into real life terms, I see the reason and good of speed limits, but sometimes when I think I can get away with it, I WILL do well over 100 mph on the freeway. That doesn't diminish the importance of the law though.
Old 12-25-2007, 05:19 AM   #66 (permalink)
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They do it every Sunday.



Of course. That isn't much of an argument, because it is somewhat irrelevant. Francis S. Collins, director of the human genome project is a 'faithful believer' and has in many instances debated religious skeptics such as Richard Dawkins. He's a genius when he walks into the laboratory, but that doesn't stop him from practicing intellectual laziness when he cracks open his Bible or attends religious service, or expresses ignorant inanities such as 'I believe in God as a positive with no evidence (as well as an unnecessary entity, and in violation of Occam's principle)', or 'I believe that when I drink wine in Sunday service, it turns into the blood of Jesus and the bread turns into the body of Jesus', or, 'I believe in the trinity, three separate but the same entities'.

Collins would argue to you that he has found evidence of God through the DNA code. And this man is at the top of his field.
Old 12-25-2007, 05:30 AM   #67 (permalink)
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Yes, you are right. Nobody's ever really proven that the earth revolves around the sun as opposed to the entire universe revolving around the earth. For that matter, nobody's really proven that the earth is not flat. If it were not flat, everybody save those on the north pole would bloody fall off! Of course, you're a ruddy fool to think that the Apollo moon landings weren't faked. Those damn astronomers, coming up with those silly theories, and making all those damn discoveries - all in defiance in the real truth of the Lord!

LOL, your really out there brother. What does any of that have to do with you not knowing the earth is in the center of the universe, or not?

My bible tells me the earth is round, and hangs on nothing in empty space (thousands of years before we knew that to be true.) And Im sure you've never used the phrases sun rise, or sun set. Right??

The last point is the most funny. Please, do tell, what did astronomers discover, that proves the bible wrong??? LOL
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The punishment is thought to be commensurate with the severity of the crime (eye for an eye). A murderer shall be put to death. But murder is forgivable in Christianity. Blasphemy against the holy spirit is the worst, unforgivable sin. The punishment should be therefore commensurate. The murderer is put to death but has a chance toward salvation. The blasphemer has no chance, and their punishment should logically be execution and to be sent straight to damnation.

Plus, Leviticus 24:16 (I can already hear the evasion of the Old Testament).
Im not having a conversation with you regarding old test jewish law again. If you dont get it by now, you never will.
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You tell little children that if they don't believe in Christian doctrine they will spend an eternity suffering in hell. It is true that technically there is always a choice; but it's a choice painted as between paradise and eternal suffering to impressionable children and ignorant adults. It's coercion and child abuse no matter how you want to spin it.
Wisdom is fearing the Lord. If people went to heaven only based on fear, than God bless it.
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Grace,

A couple of Questions...

1) Is divine inspiration and divine execution the same thing?
2) Is the Bible the sole source God's revelation?
3) Are all sins equal?

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Divine inspiration and divine execution are obviously not the same. One can be inspired by divinity but one can not perform act's of divinity with out the authority to do so. The one that issues "all" authority/authorization is He that sits in rule. God the father, who has sit in reign of mortality from its inception has in the last days of man given all authority to His only "begotten" son, Christ Jesus (Matt.28:1. Christ has given authority to act on his behalf to the apostles via proxy of the Holy Spirit of Truth (John 14:16-31, Acts 1:5). The apostles in turn grant authority to other saints to authorize the miraculous by the laying on of their hands and this authority is for none other than the apostles (Acts 8:9-21), this is done to help establish the infant church of Christianity which only has the words of the apostles to draw upon for doctrine as the old law was nailed to the cross of the Christ (Colossians 2:14). Thus from the time that the last apostle took his last earthly step the only authority that we have is granted from the word and the word is truth (John 17:17). Thus the only authority we have as disciples of Christ is to preach Christ, the power of the Cross, and Christ crucified, for it indeed is the true power of God and His intent that salvation be offered to ALL MANKIND. It is a stumbling block to some and considered foolish by many (1Cor.1:23). But it is the POWER OF GOD as defined in its purpose (1Cor.1:18,21; Rom.1:16).

Thus one can certainly say there is a certainly a difference between "INSPIRATION" and "HAVING THE AUTHORITY TO EXECUTE" under the name of Christ.

Next we might consider what is the source of God's revelation. This is really quite simple. As the word of God is to be considered TRUTH and we are to be sanctified in that truth (John 17:17) we shall let this "truth" answer the question, instead of being lead by the opining of man. "All things are delivered unto me of my Father; and no man knoweth the Son, but the Father; neither knoweth any man the Father, save the Son, and he to whomsoever the Son will reveal him." (Matthew 11:27). Thus God as in times past revealed Himself by prophets and through nature but in these lasts days of man He is revealed by the Son of God who is the Word and is that which all truth is contained. (Romans 4)

Are all sins equal? First we determine what is defined as Sin. Again we shall let the truth of the word answer this question instead of the opinion of man. Sin is, "....the transgression of the law." (1John3:4). Next the word shall define the punishment for sin is, Paul tells us that the wages of sin is death. (Romans 6:20-23). The death is contrasted to the gift of God, which is eternal life. From this we conclude that Paul is talking about spiritual death. However at first glance, it would seem from Paul's statement that all sin committed leads to death. Well yes and no. Not every sin committed ultimately leads to death. When we sin and then repent, we will no longer be heading toward spiritual death or a spiritual separation from God (Galatians 6:1). When we see ourselves in sin and are willing to acknowledge our wrong doing before God, then we will no longer be heading toward a separation from God (1 John 1:8-2:2). If we recognize our faults and pray to God for forgiveness, He will remove our sin (James 5:15:16; Hebrews 8:10-12).

Thus we must conclude there is a difference between sins in the fact that some are forgiven as we are cleansed by the blood of Christ and some are not forgiven because we have not repented or turned away from them. This is the only difference because all sin leads to a separation from God, regardless of the magnitude of the law which was breached. Ralph
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