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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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What Judaism Means to Me
I have studied world religions for some time now, and in particular Judaism. Granted, the Rabbi I studied under is by no means conventional, but I respect him all the more for that. I am still a die-hard (militant?) agnostic, and that is perhaps the only thing that kept me from officially converting. I admit I don't really know if God exists or not, so I am reluctant to give Him my word that I will follow His laws and become one of His people (and wtf is that about anyway?)

Here's what made me fall in love with Judaism.



Y'Israel.




Translation: Wrestles with God.




You see, there is a story in the Bible about a man named Jacob who wrestled with an angel for an entire night (I don't know the particulars, so don't bug me about it) and when the sun rose the next day, the Angel gave Jacob the name of Y'Israel, which means "Wrestles with God". For me that is what it is all about.


God may (or may not) be the Creator of the Universe, but that doesn't necessarily mean He is perfect. He is like a Cosmic Child with vast powers at His disposal, but without the ethical and moral development to use those powers wisely. Maybe He's like Q of Star Trek TNG fame. This of course could be a metaphor for the human race itself. After all, we are told that we were created in His image.



Take, for instance, the story of Noah. What kind of fucked up individual agrees to the prospect of drowning every person on Earth but himself and his family without at least trying to talk God out of His psychotic plan?


Anyway, it's the only Abrahamic religion I've found so far that admits the possibility that humans have the power to influence and possibly even teach God a thing or two.


What it means to me is that I choose my own moral code based on what feels right in my heart of hearts, and all religious texts and opinions of my ancestors and contemporaries be damned.


Since I am agnostic and somewhat uncomfortable with all the Abrahamic traditions, I have chosen instead to follow a more animistic and polytheistic path. Hence the username 'segep', a local indigenous term for Coyote, the Trickster. It gives me great satisfaction to know that I am tweaking the nose of God and Coyote at the same time. Hubris? Maybe. But damn, I'm having fun and I promise you that at the end of my life if I have any regrets, it won't be that I spent too much time in church.




So anyway, I will always have a special and unapologetic affinity for Jews and Judaism, and I will defend them with great vehemence against anyone who maligns them or their religion out of lazy or willful ignorance.
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Dang! I was starting to like you from reading your posts elsewhere...With this post though...I think I'm moved to hero worship instead.

Very well said there Segep.
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lol you're making my head swell.
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lol you're making my head swell.
LOL! I'm not going to say a thing there to that comment...I'm going to behave myself...

Oh heck...Got to ask anyways.

Is it the avatar or the compliment causing the head swelling?
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LMAO maybe a little of both.

This ought to give JJ a conniption fit:



It says, "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" which (loosely) translates to "I am what I am". I got it when I came out of the closet. The Rabbi flipped out when he saw it, lol. For some reason he has a thing against tattoos.

The correct translation is slippery. It means "I am what I have been/am/will be".
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LMAO maybe a little of both.

This ought to give JJ a conniption fit:



It says, "Ehyeh Asher Ehyeh" which (loosely) translates to "I am what I am". I got it when I came out of the closet.

The correct translation is slippery. It means "I am what I have been/am/will be".
Nice tat! And the translation isn't 'slipery' but is a 'sum of all things'.
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Leviticus 19:28, "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord."

Now Segep, I don't mind your tatt, but I am fairly certain there are two reasons the rabbi was uncomfortable with it.

The above quoted text from "The Law" and the fact that the translation is a definitive name for The God worshipped by the Abrahamic Religions.

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Leviticus 19:28, "Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print or tattoo any marks upon you: I am the Lord."

Now Segep, I don't mind your tatt, but I am fairly certain there are two reasons the rabbi was uncomfortable with it.

The above quoted text from "The Law" and the fact that the translation is a definitive name for The God worshipped by the Abrahamic Religions.

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I know. But then again, some rules were made to be broken. Jesus came to change the Law, did he not?
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I know. But then again, some rules were made to be broken. Jesus came to change the Law, did he not?
I was just saying why the rabbi was not at ease, Segep.

Jesus is believed to have come to not change the Law but to fulfill it, and what is that Law? It is fulfilled when one loves God with all their heart, mind, will and strength, and loves their neighbors as much as they love themselves.

And who is our neighbor? Every each one, and all of us...

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I was just saying why the rabbi was not at ease, Segep.

Jesus is believed to have come to not change the Law but to fulfill it, and what is that Law? It is fulfilled when one loves God with all their heart, mind, will and strength, and loves their neighbors as much as they love themselves.

And who is our neighbor? Every each one, and all of us...

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I know you didn't mean it to be a rebuke, OhDear.

I will admit there are some neighbors who are terribly difficult to love, so for the most part I try to ignore them unless they are in mortal peril. I'm more about the Silver Rule than the Golden Rule.

What is hateful unto you do not do unto others. When and if I can master that I will work on the Golden Rule.

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