| ||||||
| Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics? |
![]() |
| | LinkBack | Thread Tools | Display Modes |
| | #101 (permalink) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Account Deleted Join Date: Dec 2006 Gender: ![]() Posts: 3,738 Country: ![]()
| Concerning the myths of the God-man Savior before Christ, what citations are there from before Christ? Actual citations. There is an explanation though, even as the gospel was revealed in Genesis and there is evidence also that the gospel was revealed in the ancient zodiac. So those who worshipped, were in part, reckoning their belief with that which was revealed by God. But had not yet happened, as there is but One Savior of all, Jesus The Christ. OhDear | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Sponsored Links |
| | #102 (permalink) | ||||||||||||||||||||||
| A Funny Fellow Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Pensacola, FL Gender: ![]() Posts: 5,725 Country: ![]()
| Quote:
| ||||||||||||||||||||||
| | #103 (permalink) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Jersey Gender: ![]() Posts: 2,118 Country: ![]()
| Old Testament and the number of books: The number of Old Testament books (not counting the Apocrypha) stands at 39; in the Hebrew Bible they are usually counted as 24. The discrepancy occurs because Ezra and Nehemiah are counted as one book, as are each of the following—First and Second Kings; First and Second Chronicles; and the 12 Prophets (Hosea through Malachi). Sometimes Judges and Ruth are also conflated, as are Jeremiah and Lamentations, making for 22 books, the number attested by Josephus (c.A.D. 36–A.D. 96). (My bold WT) 3 Versions of the Old TestamentThe Old Testament was written in Hebrew, with a small portion in Aramaic (parts of the books of Daniel, Ezra, and Jeremiah). The text of the Hebrew Bible (called the Masoretic text, see Masora) had been standardized by the 10th cent. A.D., but the only existing Hebrew texts of biblical books before this time have been found at Qumran (see Dead Sea Scrolls). The origin of the Masoretic version is unknown. 4The original Old Testament canon was the Septuagint, long used in the Greek-speaking church and still retained by the Orthodox churches. This Hellenistic Jewish translation originated with the translation of the Pentateuch in the mid-3d cent. B.C. Later translations were made from it or patterned after it. The canon of the Septuagint included the books of the later Hebrew canon, with the addition of several others, most of which were those now reckoned deuterocanonical by Roman Catholics and apocryphal by Protestants. Dispute over the canonicity of these books has its source in the Latin Bible, which found its official form in the Vulgate, the work of St. Jerome; this largely agreed with the list of books of the Septuagint, and the list and order of the Vulgate was the canon accepted by the Western Church of the Middle Ages. 5At the Reformation, Protestant bodies withdrew recognition of the canonicity of those portions of the Old Testament that appeared in the Vulgate but not in the Masoretic canon, although the English church considered them (i.e., the deuterocanonical books) suitable for instruction and edification, but not for establishing or confirming doctrine. To set these books clearly apart, the translators who produced the Authorized Version (see Bible) assembled them in the Apocrypha as an appendix to the Old Testament. Thus the Protestant canon became exactly like the Masoretic, except that it retained the order of the books as they appeared in the Vulgate. 6 Chronology and AuthorshipThe critical study of the Old Testament is called higher criticism when dealing with literary-historical problems and lower criticism when dealing with questions of a purely textual nature. Chronology and authorship present great difficulties. Before c.1000 B.C. there is little likelihood of any outside source against which to check biblical chronology, but from the time of David it is possible to devise a chronology with some checks from nonbiblical sources, especially Assyrian and Babylonian inscriptions and records. 7The Old Testament represents the confession of the people of Israel that God first became active in their affairs in the experience of their Hebrew pastoral ancestors. Through the centuries, he continued to protect, admonish, and guide their vulnerable descendants. Under Joshua they came into possession of the land of Canaan, which they inhabited, except for their exile (586–539 B.C.) in Babylon, until the Romans decimated the population of Jerusalem and burned the Temple in A.D. 70. 8As it now stands, the Old Testament presents a history of once disparate tribal groups with different traditions as the story of one people. The whole nation in embryo went down into Egypt with the patriarch Jacob and his 12 sons, and was brought out from there under Moses’ leadership some centuries later. Subsequently, the 12 tribes entered Canaan together and established a tribal league in the days of the Judges. It is more likely, however, that it was only in the days of the tribal league that the 12 tribes were first brought together. 9In the 10th cent. B.C. the first of a series of editors collected materials from earlier traditional folkloric and historical records (i.e., both oral and written sources) to compose a narrative of the history of the Hebrews who now found themselves united under David and Solomon. Stemming from differing traditions originating among those living in what was later the northern kingdom of Israel and those in the southern kingdom of Judah, we can trace two dominant compilations, known as the E (preferring the epithet “Elohim” for God) and the J (preferring the epithet “Yahweh”), respectively. These were combined by a Judaean some time after the fall of the northern kingdom and are to be found inextricably associated in Genesis, Exodus, Numbers, Joshua, Judges, First and Second Samuel, and First and Second Kings. According to scholars, this combined JE narrative is the bulk of the earlier Old Testament. 10The prophets began to confront Israel in the days of the divided monarchy, indicting the people for failure to heed the moral demand of God and for failing to protect the weak in society. Their warnings of doom came to pass as Israel fell before the imperial might of Assyria and Babylon. Faithful disciples of the prophets guarded their oracles, even supplementing them, long after their masters had passed from the scene. 11To Deuteronomy, scholars assign a late 7th-century B.C. origin. Deuteronomy, the book of the law “found” in the Temple during the reign of Josiah, was written, scholars argue, for a specific purpose—to provide a written law for the people, and to authenticate the reforms Josiah had instigated. Deuteronomy gave rise to a historical work, called the Deuteronomic History, in which the older JE traditions were reworked in light of its theology. Leviticus, with its emphasis on priestly matters, probably reached its final form in the post-exilic era in the establishment of post-exilic Judaism. The books of Chronicles and of Ezra and Nehemiah provide a theological agenda for post-exilic Judaism, stressing Temple worship, ethnic purity, and adherence to the Mosaic law. | |||||||||||||||||||||
| | #104 (permalink) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Jersey Gender: ![]() Posts: 2,118 Country: ![]()
| Here is a link to a site that traces the pagan origens of Christ and does so without offending Christians. Pagan Origins of the Christ Myth | |||||||||||||||||||||
| | #105 (permalink) | ||||||||||||||||||||||
| Partisan Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles Gender: ![]() Posts: 10,671 Country: ![]()
| Quote:
Why do you think that references to "the Christ myth" won't offend Christians?? Doggone it darn right you betcha bless your heart maverick | ||||||||||||||||||||||
| | #106 (permalink) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Jersey Gender: ![]() Posts: 2,118 Country: ![]()
| The content shouldn't. I don't know why they picked that title, except for the fact that they are dealing with some mythological figures, or because those myths are ancient stories written down, that have stayed in the consciousness of the people. Oh, that is exactly the same as Chrisitianity, isn't it? | |||||||||||||||||||||
| | #107 (permalink) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Guest Join Date: Oct 2007 Posts: 2,797 Country: ![]()
| From waitings web site. "You already know Christmas trees and Easter eggs were originally Pagan, and you probably know the seasonal timing of the two holidays is Pagan too." The seasonal timing of Easter had nothing to do with pagans. If they are dishonest about that, why should this site be considered reputable? | |||||||||||||||||||||
| | #108 (permalink) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: New Jersey Gender: ![]() Posts: 2,118 Country: ![]()
| Grace, please read a bit further. Every dying and rising God prior to Jesus was a god of vegetation, and ther deaths and resurrections were seasonally related. | |||||||||||||||||||||
| | #109 (permalink) | ||||||||||||||||||||||
| Congressional Representative ![]() Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Alabama Gender: ![]() Posts: 2,466
| Quote:
Right now America spends $700 billion every year on foreign oil. That's our money going overseas when it could be staying here. We have to stop this. | ||||||||||||||||||||||
| | #110 (permalink) | |||||||||||||||||||||
| Partisan Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Los Angeles Gender: ![]() Posts: 10,671 Country: ![]()
| Does the origin of Easter eggs and Christmas trees really matter ??? If you believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God and you believe what He taught then you have hope for this life and for the life after death. Isn't that enough? What does paganism have to offer (apart from those gay costumes and a lot of dancing around camp fires)? Doggone it darn right you betcha bless your heart maverick | |||||||||||||||||||||
![]() |
| Bookmarks |
« Previous Thread
|
Next Thread »
| Thread Tools | |
| Display Modes | |
All times are GMT -5. The time now is 12:46 AM.















Linear Mode