Defending the Truth

Ralph · 04-16-2008, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Sharon den Adel

Homosexuals are simply pushing for equal rights, and if marriage is the only way they will get those rights, why not push for it?

Sense when is having sex considered a right? You are presenting those that practice homosexuality as a "separate" group of individual humans that demand personal rights, rights based only upon the "choice" of whom they have decided to engage in sexual relations. It indeed is a "choice" for if it is not, we have a term for sex that is not made by consent, it is called "RAPE". Heterosexual's also "choose" to engage in sex. Sex is not a concern of humanity, it is not a requirement to the continuation of the life process, as is food, clothing, shelter. And in the case of homosexuality it is even not for the obvious choice of reproduction. Please present one example of any law that is mandated to stop any human (even those that choose to practice the perverted) from these basic requirements of life. What you speak of is nothing more than ones own choice in the pursuit of individual happiness.....pursue away, but do not urinate down my back and expect me to believe that it is only "rain", and demand that I (society at large) also must conform to your "choice" of pursuing happiness. As Ben Franklin would say in more proper wording....get bent. (R)

waitingtables · 04-16-2008, 06:06 PM

Why is marriage only about having sex? That is not what is unequal about discrimination towards gays having the right to marry. And in this country you are free to believe anything you want, however, your are not free to discriminate based on those beliefs, nor are you able to decide for another human being outside of your body, whether or not they have to become a parent. It just so happens that those things are rights given to us in our Constitution, and there aren't any amendments to change that. A church can choose to marry gays or not, that is their business. But a legal marriage recognised by the state, should be allowed. That it is illegal seems unconstitutional to me.

So you folks who hate that women are allowed to terminate a pregnancy in the first trimester are trying to cram your beliefs down other people's throats. You have no right to decide what is right for another person's life, a person that you don't even know. And with the gay marriage issue, what two people do in their own lives that has no effect on your life whatsoever, is not your business. If they decide to marry and are permitted to, what difference does that make in your life. You are infringing on something that requires nothing of you and has no impact on your life. As I said, believe whatever you like, but you cannot make others believe the same and live by your beliefs. Abortion is a woman's decision, the one who would have to carry and bring the child into the world. You have no place in deciding her future, and it is arrogant and presumptive for you to think that you know better then she, what is right for her life. And if you aren't gay, you have absolutely no idea what living a gay life is like. Therefore, you cannot judge. If you do, it is an implication of ignorance. And it goes against some very good advice, "Judge not, lest ye be judged", to paraphrase it.

garysher · 04-16-2008, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Sharon den Adel

I do not have violent tendancies at all. Other words can offend too, certain words offend certain minority groups - if I called a black person a 'nigger' do you think they'd just think 'Well, names can't hurt me, so I'll just walk away' or do you think they'd retaliate? My guess is the latter.

Only if they have violent tendencies like you.

When I lived in Australia I was often called a "pommie bastard" but I never felt the need to retaliate physically.

After a while I realised it was a term of endearment.

You politically-correct, moral relativist, secular progressives are far too sensitive and far too eager to find fault in others.

garysher · 04-16-2008, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

Why is marriage only about having sex?

Marriage isn't only about having sex, but having sex is a component of the relationship that differentiates marriage from, say a business partnership or social acquaintanceship.

That is not what is unequal about discrimination towards gays having the right to marry. And in this country you are free to believe anything you want, however, your are not free to discriminate based on those beliefs,

So why do we make polygamy and incestuous marriage illegal?

And why does every thread end up here??

nor are you able to decide for another human being outside of your body, whether or not they have to become a parent. It just so happens that those things are rights given to us in our Constitution, and there aren't any amendments to change that. A church can choose to marry gays or not, that is their business. But a legal marriage recognised by the state, should be allowed. That it is illegal seems unconstitutional to me.

So you folks who hate that women are allowed to terminate a pregnancy in the first trimester are trying to cram your beliefs down other people's throats. You have no right to decide what is right for another person's life, a person that you don't even know. And with the gay marriage issue, what two people do in their own lives that has no effect on your life whatsoever, is not your business. If they decide to marry and are permitted to, what difference does that make in your life. You are infringing on something that requires nothing of you and has no impact on your life. As I said, believe whatever you like, but you cannot make others believe the same and live by your beliefs. Abortion is a woman's decision, the one who would have to carry and bring the child into the world. You have no place in deciding her future, and it is arrogant and presumptive for you to think that you know better then she, what is right for her life. And if you aren't gay, you have absolutely no idea what living a gay life is like. Therefore, you cannot judge. If you do, it is an implication of ignorance. And it goes against some very good advice, "Judge not, lest ye be judged", to paraphrase it.

So why do we judge pedophiles?

waitingtables · 04-16-2008, 06:45 PM

Ralph made it seem as though marriage was only about sex in the post above mine Gary. I should have quoted him. And we judge pedophiles because it is against the law to have sex with children, not another consenting adult. Incestuous marriage is illegal to protect society from mutated offspring. I think that you should be able to marry whom ever you like, as long as they are of age and consent. People of close relations should not be allowed to reproduce because of the dangers to any offspring.
Polygamy is rife with abuse and should not be sanctioned by any state out of concern for the children being raised by people who allow 50 year old men to marry and impregnate girls under the legal age of consent, which we know for a fact happens.

garysher · 04-16-2008, 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by waitingtables

Ralph made it seem as though marriage was only about sex in the post above mine Gary. I should have quoted him. And we judge pedophiles because it is against the law to have sex with children, not another consenting adult.

Pedophilia is illegal because we judge it to be immoral.

Aren't you outraged when people try to impose their morals on others via the law??

Incestuous marriage is illegal to protect society from mutated offspring. I think that you should be able to marry whom ever you like, as long as they are of age and consent. People of close relations should not be allowed to reproduce because of the dangers to any offspring.

Assuming that was true (infact it's only partially true) why don't we allow close relatives to marry if they agree to be sterilised?

Polygamy is rife with abuse and should not be sanctioned by any state out of concern for the children being raised by people who allow 50 year old men to marry and impregnate girls under the legal age of consent, which we know for a fact happens.

Polygamy, per se, has nothing to do with impregnating minors.

So why not allow polygamy between consenting adults? I thought that was your only criteria?

But isn't the truth that you want to judge people and impose morality based restrictions when YOU think it's appropriate???

hot dragon · 04-16-2008, 11:10 PM

So why do we make polygamy and incestuous marriage illegal?

And why does every thread end up here??

becaue you keep bringing it up as if it is somehow relevant.

Sharon den Adel · 04-17-2008, 01:16 AM

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Originally Posted by garysher

So why do we judge pedophiles?

Because pedophiles prey on children, duh.

Sharon den Adel · 04-17-2008, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Ralph

Sense when is having sex considered a right?

What the hell makes you think that marriage is all about sex?

Sharon den Adel · 04-17-2008, 01:21 AM

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Originally Posted by garysher

Pedophilia is illegal because we judge it to be immoral.

Pedophilia is illegal because these people prey on children, they harm them, both physically and psychologically, and there is no consent. It's child rape.

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