Defending the Truth

When Joseph took his family to Nazareth after they went to Egypt, Matthew said he did this so

"…….that it might be fulfilled which was spoken through the prophets, that he should be called a Nazarene." (Matthew 2:23)

Again, Bible scholars have never been unable to find any statement from any prophet that this could be referring to! As a matter of fact, neither the word Nazareth or Nazarene was ever mentioned in the Old Testament.

Judges 13


5 because you will conceive and give birth to a son. No razor may be used on his head, because the boy is to be a Nazirite,

There was no Nazareth at that time. I await your explanation. Even though I already know the meaning.

Damn it waiting. Im well aware of this whole situation. My attempt was to just throw him of course for a sec, to show him he has very little understanding of the scriptures, and copy and pasting from a anti christian web-site doesnt make him a expert on the subject. After this I was going to reveal the truth of the matter. Thanks

*Cough*

It doesn't matter what the bible says, what matters is what the people believe.

The life of Jesus was probably that of a Jew who tried to reform the church and inspired the people to change their faith. Over the centuries his life became distorted by the fog of time, and people think he is what he is today. The events in the bible are not to be taken litterally and are simply a guide on how to lead a good life, things that became socially taboo are ignored today, and will probably be edited out later. The bible technically advocates the slaughter of anyone who works on the Sabbath day, but that is a tradition used in second century BC Judea, where such events were commonplace. Today it is not accpeted, so it is not acted upon.

You repeating what your preachers told you hardly makes you an expert either. I actually went to school and studied theology...you?? Don't answer you'll just embarass yourself. Because I don't believe doesn't mean I don't understand what you believe btw. I understand what you believe I don't understand why. Let me spell it out for you again, my question involves why would any intelligent person with even a little self respect believe the words of some ancient elders of an obscure desert tribe from the Middle East without even questioning them, and I mean really questioning them. Time you thought outside the hole others dug for you and you insist staying in.

You did not answer the original questions I asked all you did was self reference the book in question which is only proof of your belief and does answer this question. So I'll ask again.

Why did god wait about 140,000 years before revealing himself to a bunmch of semi literate parochials in what was then an obscure part of the middle east?? Why did he make it so hard for us to understand, so difficult in fact that no Christian denomination actually believes the same as another. Why isn't the bible simply the racxtion of a group of people against its opressors and an attempt to answer what we didn't understand 2000-6000 years ago. Whats it all about Alfie?? Now we know that the world isn't flat, that we are not the center of the universe, that the sun does not rotate around us, that the universe is extending further and further away from its original starting point. That in fact we are micro dots in the greater scheme of things. I know you'd like to be more important but perhaps your not. The ego centric nature of religious belief is actually an amazing thing.


Further i'd like some proof outside the Torah/Bible itself that Moses existed and the plagues of Eygpt actually happened.. As I mentioned the Eygptians were famous for keeping records of every single detail of their life but these plagues not mentioned anywhere. Further I'd like proof that Romans actually cruxified people in the time that Jesus is said to have existed outside the bible/torah of course. Then there is my fav story Noah, please provide me with prrof that their wasa flood during the time of Noah that affected the entire world and that Noah built an Ark, again outside the Bible/Torah. I know faith isn't about proof but if these things actually factually happened you shouldn't have any issue finding evidence outside the bible

Even you Christians cannot agree on what the bible means, hence the various forms of Christainity and all of you suffer from the we are right and they are wrong syndrome. The bible has been interpretated to suit you and the belief in the bible has changed over time. I don;t have issue with this, and neither did Jesus or Paul in fact they say in the Bible they didn't intend it to be taken literally and never change but rather believed it to be adaboptable and intended for it to change. "Why do you not judge for yourselves what is right?" (Luke 12:57 RSV). " You don't believe the same thing as a Catholic, nor do you believe the same thing as any other protestans other then the denomination you belong too. If it was the imutable word of god there would be only one interpretation. Catholicism is the bastardization of Judaism which is the reaction to certain forms of Paganism practiced by the oppressors of the people of Judea. Protestantism in its various forms is merely the batardization of a bastardization. Please explain why are there differences in theological outlooks???

My issue is you guys trying to enforce your religious beliefs on others with no respect for them and then justifying it because God told you you could...I ask you so??? your God is your God keep it to yourself...your religion has no place in our legal system, political system or secular institutions..it may inform people about things but we seperate church and state in this country because we value the freedom this brings..I'd like to keep this freedom..

Have you finished whining like an old woman??

Nobody is enforcing their religious beliefs on you. You are free to go through life as a heathen and an atheist.

Infact you are a prime example of the result - bitter, unhappy and confused.

Of course religion has a place in secular life. It is what holds a society together. When religion is removed society quickly unravels. Even your British forefathers told you that.

And the so-called separation of church and state is a myth. Voters and legislators don't forget their religious beliefs when they enter the ballot box or the legislature.

And we just had a holiday for Easter - remember???

you had a Holy Day gary but then again you guys have them every Sunday...

Your relgious beliefs are intruding on peoples secular life..there are people in this country who want to outlaw abortion because they see it as against their religious beliefs, perfectly valid beliefs, but no-one is asking anyone who doesn't want or choose to have an abortion to have an abortion...there are people in this country who because of their religious beliefs don't want gay people to get married...no-one is forcing anyone to marry the person of the same gender, nor will gay marriage invalidate heterosexual marriage...there are people in this country who want to ban the teaching of (and have in some instances) evolution because it conflicts with their religious belief..no-one is forcing anyone to send their child to a school where they teach evolution....no-one is saying those beliefs aren't valid but rather the cost of those beliefs is allowing things you don't believe in to co-exist..thats what we call freedom ..this country has freedom gary..this country was never a theoracy ..the religious nutjobs of any persuasion need to pull their head in and have respect for other peoples beliefs...please don't argue that people don't leave their beliefs behind them of course they don't but anyone that allows their religious belief to guide them and at the same time doesn't have respect for freedom of others is somone who shouldn't vote or to legislate

Now stop arguing such moronic points

Homosexual marriage is a great example..it isn't my fault Oprah hasn't done an episode on why you're wrong so you can understand why you're a bitchy old crackpot...keep watching her she may do one eventually..


Actually you're wrong which shows what happens when you assume

..I don't care if car makers donate to Focus on the Family just as I don't care if they advertise in gay literature..I believe in balancing both..you overly presumptuous pillock

I am also not trying to disenfranchise anyone from their faith..I am saying if you can't find the balance then keep your faith and keep the faith we have in freedom and use your freedom not to vote or legislate thus keeping your own personal faith intact..

by this I mean for example no-ones elses faith has any place in my childrens education, if I want them to know only creationism then I'd send them to a school that taught that only..if I want them to understand both creationism and evolution I'd make sure they got both perspectives..I can do this by sending them to Sunday School as well as regular school, if I only want them to know evolution I send them to a school where they will only hear about evolution....

there is nothing in this world that could make me vote for someone who wanted to limit what someone else believes, no matter how moronic I may find the belief..all I am asking is the same in return...and if you can't do that..don't vote..not that you can actually vote here gary so why not STFU

Why wouldn't I have worked last Friday??? you guys get confused..heaven, hell, the dying rising from the dead and so on ..only mean something to people who believe..

Freedom means we have choices thus if you don't like a car maker gives money to focus on the family buy a car from another maker...