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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 04-02-2008, 05:48 PM   #41 (permalink)
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Its so easy to say the maker has little understanding of something, it is tyoical of the religious belever just dismiss any concept without enetering into a dialogue.

You persist in believing in something you've no real understanding of at all other then the rather conceited position that your God waited about 144,000 years to reveal itself to humanity (humanity has been around for 150,000 years or there abouts) and then it decided to reveal itself to semi literate ancient nomads who existed in a remote region of what we call the Middle East and only to these people, he then waited another 4000 years before sending his 'son' to bring a new covenent and redeem us all. The illogic of it is so astounding words cannot describe it. Yet you believe it because signs, many of which aren't actually predicted in the old covenent, came about, one of the signs being riding a donkey. And yet from my perspective you are so lacking in self respect and respect for humanity that you believe this despite all evidence and logic to the contrary. Its true faith is not based in evidence which should automatically make any intelligent person sit up and take notice, yet intelligent people still persist in the belief because they lack hope and fear death. yet find hope in the ramblings of semi literate ancient parochials from the an obscure section of the Middle East. And to them its all logical. We've always made gods and praised them, they evolve with us, as we find out more about the world our gods change and your god will change too. Not of course in our lifetime but he has changed since the bible was first written you just don't want god to have changed.

But there is more not only did god wait this long to reveal itself but belief in it manifests itself in a rather self centered ego driven logic. That the creator not only made mankind the center of the entire universe and made all things for mankind but at the same time requires servility and praise and a god so bored it actually cares what you eat, drink and when and who you have sex with. Its all so evil and pathetic. What sort of creator is so approximate and cruel that it waited so many years to reveal itself?? Whats more why did it make snot?? I mean do we really need snot???

Mans tryanny over man and tyranny over the minds of men has been born continuously in religion and belief in something magical beyond our world. Yet religion is now forced to compete in the world of ideas and as we learn more we believe less which just makes some people really crazy and or angry and more miltant, either directly militant or seek to impose their views thriough the secular world.

In the end I feel sorry for believers they don't live life for the sake of life but for the sake of their own death in the hope that they will be redeemed. Its really very sad. Life is worth living beyond the desire of what happens to you after death.
Just one question for the logic of "claiming" that man has been around for 140,000 years. Of course "blatantly" claimed by theorized conclusions only. If man has been in existence for that long, why then is the world population right at this present time only 6.6 billion people? When one does a simple formula based upon "facts", not theory of speculation we find some interesting facts. 1. the world population in the year 1 was 200 million people. 2 world population in the year 1000 was 310 million. 3. 1750, 791 million. Finally reaching 1 billion around 1800 and climbing to the current population of 6.6 million in March 2008.

What I find interesting is the fact that the population has exponentially climbed from just over 1 million in the year 10,000 BC to have reached the current 6.6 billion in just over 12,000 years. Pray tell, what indeed would be the world population if extrapolated over 150 thousand year period? If we have gained some 6.5 billion over 12,000 years, even starting with a minimal number of less than 100 people exponentially expanded on a scale as proven to have existed over the last 2000 years? This number would have hundreds of thousands of people per every sq. mile of dry land upon the face of the earth, mankind would have ceased to exist in only fraction of this time. I am sure some "pseudo" will do as they always do and throw out some theory as to what has curbed world population and as always will back it up with only the gray matter that rests between the ears, about how many times there in fact has been a world wide event that has "nearly" wiped out the human population at least a dozen times, but the facts are as such , not theories, there has been only one event that can actually be proven to have occurred that would have encompassed a large portion of the globe and that is in recent history.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_population. Just something to be considering and to throw some hard evidence into the mix of these wild theories, based only upon speculation that ignores proven population expansion tendencies, as just shown. (R)

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Old 04-02-2008, 06:44 PM   #42 (permalink)
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This video will give some insight on text that prove the bible is repulsive. Pushed by atheist, i believe there is a god, just not the one in the bible as we are told. Give it a look see before you judge!

TruthZoneTV.com :: Proving that the bible is repulsive (Video Clip)

The truth about jesus.... Parts 1-3

TruthZoneTV.com :: The truth about jesus Parts 1-3(Zeitgiest)

TruthZoneTV.com :: The truth about jesus part 2

TruthZoneTV.com :: The truth about jesus part 3
I watched only a very few moments of the (video clip) link and quickly made the determination that there was more than enough ignorance to go around. 1. The Ten Commandment covenant and specifically the punishments listed were in fact given "ONLY" to the nation of Israel -- Deut. 5:1-3 2. There is not a command found anywhere in the Scriptures that requires any Gentile to observe these laws. This covenant and The Commandments that went with it were nailed to the cross of the Christ -- Col. 2:13-15, Eph. 2:14-16, 2 Cor. 3:7-18. 3. This included the demand to observe the Sabbath by command.

The Bible not only records the beginning of the observance of the Sabbath but also the commands of scriptures that ended such. Jeremiah prophesied that the law given on Mt. Sinai (which includes the command to observe the Sabbath) would end and a New Law would take its place -- Jer. 31:31-32. Later the Apostle Paul declared that Christians have died to the law (OT) -- Romans 7:4-7. Paul said, "When you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh (an obvious statement about Gentiles), He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, HAVING CANCELED OUT THE "CERTIFICATE" OF DEBT CONSISTING OF DECREES AGAINST US, which was hostile to us; He has taken it out of the way, HAVING NAILED IT TO THE CROSS. When He had disarmed the rulers and authorities, He made a public display of them, having triumphed over them though Him. Therefore no one is to act as your judge in regard to food or drink or in respect to a festival of a new moon or A SABBATH DAY --- a shadow of things to come." -- Col 2:13-17. (R)

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Old 04-03-2008, 09:23 AM   #43 (permalink)
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Of course Paul said that, that's the point. Give me an example of where Jesus says that, or doesn't keep to it. The fact is, the Jews weren't waiting for a messiah to save the world, they were waiting for one to save them from Roman oppression and occupation.
It is possible that the man Jesus did think that he was a messiah to the world, but the Old Testament did not apply to gentiles, and they did not foresee that their ways and laws would be appling to anyone besides themselves. Paul would have to say those things, as a way to spread his faith to those outside the Jerusalem community.
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Of course Paul said that, that's the point. Give me an example of where Jesus says that, or doesn't keep to it. The fact is, the Jews weren't waiting for a messiah to save the world, they were waiting for one to save them from Roman oppression and occupation.
It is possible that the man Jesus did think that he was a messiah to the world, but the Old Testament did not apply to gentiles, and they did not foresee that their ways and laws would be appling to anyone besides themselves. Paul would have to say those things, as a way to spread his faith to those outside the Jerusalem community.
Correct me if I am wrong, but Jer. 31:31-36 was not written by the Apostle Paul, Paul merely confirms what was prophesied and fulfilled by the life, death, and resurrection of Christ Jesus. Notice the the words of Vs. 36, "If those ordinances depart from before me, SAITH THE LORD, then the seed of Israel also shall cease from being a nation before ME forever." This fulfillment of prophecy concerning the destruction of the nation of Israel indeed makes it clear that Jesus was the true Messiah and the ordinances of the Old Covenant was in fact nailed to the cross of Christ Jesus, just as the Apostle confirmed. Notice also, physical Israel will never again be made whole just as another OT prophecy foretold --Jer. 19:11, "And shalt say unto them, Thus saith the Lord of hosts; Even so WILL I BREAK THIS PEOPLE AND THIS CITY (Jerusalem) AS ONE BREAKETH A POTTERS VESSEL, THAT CANNOT BE MADE WHOLE AGAIN...." This is not some false prophesy or fable, this is a fact of History actual as the People (the nation of Israel ) and the city of Jerusalem indeed fell in their entirety just as Jeremiah and Christ said they would for failure to obey the true word of God. Even Christ foretold of this impending doom -- Matthew 24:4-32. And confirmed by History, and nowhere in the Scriptures from Genesis to Revelation is prophecy made that foretells of Israel being destroyed from the face of the earth for a period of 2000 years and then magically reappearing. Indeed, the nation that many call Israel is a fake and a mere attempted carbon copy of the true nation of Israel found in the scriptures, as they have no tribal identity, no formal priesthood that consuls the appointed Monarch that has indeed been blessed by the Lord God almighty.

Thus your obvious bigotry toward Paul only confirms your need to present the false claim that part of the word of God is a lie, as this is the ONLY way to confirm the false worship that you wish to engage in. Again notice the actual history that confirms the prophecy of Jer. and Christ. In fact, one can not find a better example of being ANTI-CHRIST, than the entire peoples of that region demonstrate, as both those that profess to being Jewish and those of the Islamic faith deny the authority of Christ Jesus as the rightful heir to the Kingdom of God, even to the point of declaring a part of the Holy Bible as false. And it's also strange that you would "blatantly" claim that the Messiah was not to consider the entire world, but only the nation of Israel, considering the words of the prophet in the book of Isaiah -- Isaiah 42:1, 42:6-7, and 49:6, the last of which declares, "And he said, It is a light thing that thou shouldest be my servant to raise up the tribes of Jacob, and to restore the PRESERVED OF ISRAEL;(that small core that accepted the truth of Christ, such as Peter, Paul, John and rest that were introduced to the gospel of Christ first, before it was offered to the world) I will also give thee for a light to the Gentiles, that thou mayest be my salvation UNTO THE END OF THE EARTH." But the only way for the gentiles to be accepted into the kingdom of God as promised would be for the ordinances that were contrary or against them be fulfilled and thus expire, and this indeed was accomplished by Christ Jesus -- Matthew 5:17-18, as the Christ Himself declares that He did not come to destroy the Law but to fulfill it, or bring closure to it by legally fulfilling the obligation to be the perfect sacrificial LAMB OF GOD.(R)

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I am a women, and I have no problem with the roll he has made for us.
What roll? A jelly roll or a tootsie roll?
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Grace if you use Firefox as your web browser you can switch on an automatic spell checker

So all these nasty people won't keep poking fun

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Spell checker wouldn't have helped in this case since "roll" is a real word.
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We have already covered the "roll' thing fellas. Try and keep up.
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I am a women, and I have no problem with the roll he has made for us.
So, how many "women" are you???
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So, how many "women" are you???
The how many does not matter, its the what kind and how much of a woman, that really matters. And Grace as made it obvious, as what what kind of women she in fact is, as she presents an adherence to Christianity. To be a defender of womens rights a person does not have to abandon the word of God as true Christian males are COMMANDED to respect all women as they would themselves. For indeed they are one in the same and are of ONE FLESH when joined in marriage. The truth is as everyone can see the most damage to women in our society is gestated by the ones that are declaring "equality" in all areas of life, the womens movements themselve have by far brought more disrespect upon ALL WOMEN than any man ever has, as they profess to be equal in all areas and try to prove such. A law of physics that simply cannot be breached, that only serves to make those look ridiculous when the attempt is made.

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This is real respectful and feminist, right? One can almost see the need for a jock strap. And real sexy, if one is into an alternate lifestyle, another example of self respect, right? Why must women assume that it is equal to take male hormones and present themselves as something they are not, physically equal to the male of the species. Even in the nature that God has gestated, all species have their accepted roles and positions thereof, and this does not make one superior to the other. Sometimes it is the male that is dominant in the species and sometimes it is the female. But, in either case, in nature that place is accepted, for instance it is the female Lioness that hunts for the pride. Do the males try to usurp this natural position, or do they simply lie and bash in the sun while the females hunt? Well, perhaps thats a bad example, as this indeed is what modern feminism has produced in our society, as they have constantly been caught usurping the males role as the hunter gather, even at the expense of laying the responsibilities of FAMILY existence on the alter of feminism. Does this prove or mean that women have no rights? Sure, just try to harm the cub of any female, be it animal or HUMAN, and see where this ideology lands you. And Ralph ROTE this, as I find it very funny when someone casts stones and are caught doing the same things themselves. (R)

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