waitingtables

Voting and pushing legislation aren't always the same thing. Voting for a candidate is fine, but trying to keep all women from the right to have an abortion is another. Being happily married is fine, but trying to have a Constitutional ammendment that defines marriage is quite another. That is my point. Religious zealots are never happy just living their lives according to their own beliefs, they have to force it down everyone else's throats as well.

Grace

Not if you believe abortion is in fact murder. And its not just religious folks who think it is. Under that belief, do we not have a obligation to try and correct it? What is the difference between that and the liberals who want to abolish the death penalty? Besides, why even bark up that tree?? Abortion is and will be legal in this country no matter what. You have bought into hitlers version of eugenics, under the mask of "rights" It cant be stopped now. You will also eventualy get your way regarding the redefinition of marrage, how ever absurd that may be. Most responcible Americans who vote regardless of there beliefs try to "force it downs everyone throats" by trying to pass legislation. As long as its done in a legal mannor under the guide of the constitution, who are you, or I or anyone, to say its wrong? If whatever is being passed is constitutional, it will stand, if not, it will fail. Besides the redefinition of marrage,(which is a religious agreement to begin with) what religious laws are there in place that effect you?

Ralph

Much of the nonsense espoused on this thread is nothing new and is based upon secular humanism, a form of politics brought to the forefront in the early 20th century by the teaching of a man named "Robert Ingersoll" (1833-1899) author of the humanist book "Gems of thought". He was very militant against Judaism and Christianity and openly declared "We are laying the foundation of the grand temple of the future wherein will be celebrated the "RELIGION" of HUMANITY. We are looking for the time when REASON throned upon the world's brain, shall be the King of Kings and God of God's." His two greatest teachings, which apparently are being parroted by many liberals today, were l.) Compartmentalization and 2.) Ignoring a candidates personal life while serving in the public.

We can all see were thinking such as this has taken this nation, especially over the past several decades form the time the Republican basis of this nations foundation ( Judeo-Christian) has been taken away from the public service arena by the communists dressed in democratic clothing. Crime in this nation has risen by 300% from the sixties to date from the time our "civil liberties" began to be protected so intensely by the communist lap dog, the ACLU. I do not know just how much longer we can take this kind of "PROTECTION", and continue to allow the HUMAN MIND, to reign as KING OF KINGS AND GOD OF GODS. (R)

Sharon den Adel

Factually, abortion is not murder. You do not have the right to correct what the law has said. You have a right to your opinions, but you do not have the right to force that opinion upon us.
(Think of those people who stand outside abortion clinics and verbally abuse women - is this acceptable)

I have never understood why so many pro lifers are so against abortion, yet have no problem with executing a living, breathing, sentient human being to death.

The fact that religion even exists effects me.
Some views of the religious? Homosexuality is immoral and unnatural, abortion is murder, sex before marriage is wrong, living together before marriage is immoral, watching porn is wrong, watching anything that mentions sexual activity between teenagers is immoral, sex education is wrong and promotes promiscuity, etc etc.
Christians seem to think it is their God given right to shove their opinions down our throats, when they really should accept the fact that none of this is any of their business, and that no one really cares anyway.

garysher

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Sharon den Adel

Grace

No the fact is, at one min, there is a person, fully equipt with DNA, telling everything about that persons make up (varifying they are in fact a human) and the next min, there life is ended on purpose. Sure as hell sounds like murder to me. I do have the right to try and change legislation, thats whats so great about America. Sorry that there are people who want to stop the millions of murders that go on every year. How dare we stand up for those who cant speak, right?? Well forget you.
Thats cause you lack common sence. At least someone on death row is quilty of something other than just being alive. At least someone on death row was given a fair trial, and a right to say why they should remain alive. You would rather kill the most innocent among us, and save the most quilty. Quilty no less of crimes that would make everyone on this boards stomach turn in horror.
Sounds like it isnt religion that is effecting you, but just your insistance on denieing the truth.

Grace

They are also for indoctrinating our children, into believeing things that will harm many of them.

Sharon den Adel

Oh please. I would much rather my child be raised by a same sex couple than a straight couple, and run the risk of that straight couple being a bunch of homophobes, intent on filling my childs head with lies about homosexuality.
At least homosexuals would teach children about love and acceptance - Christians seem to forget that this is what is expected of them.

Sharon den Adel

Wow, so the fact that a fetus has DNA automatically makes it a human being, and more than just a lump of cells? So the fact that a fetus has DNA makes it more important than the mother?
I eat people like you for dinner, and right now, I feel very hungry...

I wonder if you think standing outside abortion clinics, hurling abuse and insults at women is going to help change legislation.

How dare you hold a non sentient being in higher regard than an actual, decision making human being?

I am well aware of what people on death row are accused of, and it honestly doesn't matter to me.
I imagine you are a Christian - Christians are supposed to be against the death penalty. You are obviously not a true Christian, or a smart person, for that matter, because there are people on death row who are innocent, and there have also been innocent people executed for crimes they did not commit - or will you deny this fact?

I have never denied the truth, the problem is that your truth is nothing at all like my truth. My truth is based on fact and logic, whereas your truth is based on religion and lies.