| Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics? | 
04-14-2008, 05:58 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharon den Adel  Oh please. I would much rather my child be raised by a same sex couple than a straight couple, and run the risk of that straight couple being a bunch of homophobes, intent on filling my childs head with lies about homosexuality.
At least homosexuals would teach children about love and acceptance - Christians seem to forget that this is what is expected of them. |
We are not to accept sin. Especialy when it come to our children. We are to love the sinner, not the sin. What lies? That homosexuality is safe, and normal, and moral? It isnt either of those 3. | 
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04-14-2008, 06:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Grace We are not to accept sin. Especialy when it come to our children. We are to love the sinner, not the sin. What lies? That homosexuality is safe, and normal, and moral? It isnt either of those 3. | You only believe this because your Bible tells you so. If you were not religious, would your beliefs be different? | |
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04-14-2008, 06:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharon den Adel Wow, so the fact that a fetus has DNA automatically makes it a human being, and more than just a lump of cells? So the fact that a fetus has DNA makes it more important than the mother?
I eat people like you for dinner, and right now, I feel very hungry... | #1 lets not even come close to pretending all abortions on done in the first couple weeks, cause that isnt even close to the truth. Many times the fetus feels pain. I never said the child is more important than the mother. But they are AS important. And yes DNA the multi million page manual that tells everything about that person makes them, in fact, a person. Science demands it. Who are you to say other wise? Dont break out your dinner plate just yet. Quote: | I wonder if you think standing outside abortion clinics, hurling abuse and insults at women is going to help change legislation. | No I dont think its helping to change legislation. It is however a product of extreme frustration as we watch people get murdered by the millions. Quote: | How dare you hold a non sentient being in higher regard than an actual, decision making human being? | As I clearly already explained, a person who is on death row, is quilty of a crime. That crime being killing other "decision making humans". "non sentient" is just a term you use to dehumanize what is clearly a human being. A human being that is the most innocent among us. Quote: | I am well aware of what people on death row are accused of, and it honestly doesn't matter to me. | We have already established you lack common sence, so thats no biggy. Quote: | I imagine you are a Christian - Christians are supposed to be against the death penalty. You are obviously not a true Christian, or a smart person, for that matter, because there are people on death row who are innocent, and there have also been innocent people executed for crimes they did not commit - or will you deny this fact? | Actualy the bible gives us the right to govern ourselfs, including the use of the death penalty. So its obvious you dont know what a true Christian is. And just cause there are things that can be fixed regarding our use of the death penalty, doesnt make me dumb. Especialy considering the fact that you have no idea under what premise I believe the death penalty should be used. Quote: | I have never denied the truth, the problem is that your truth is nothing at all like my truth. My truth is based on fact and logic, whereas your truth is based on religion and lies. | My truth is based on simple common sence. Your truth is based on your twisted version of what you feel morality should be, rather than what it actualy is. | |
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04-14-2008, 06:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharon den Adel You only believe this because your Bible tells you so. If you were not religious, would your beliefs be different? | If I wasnt religious, I would most likely look at it from a scientific point of view, and that tells me that less than 6% of the population is gay. Which would tell me that it isnt a natural thing, but a abormal mental disorder. On the subject of homosexuality I wont speak about it anymore after this thought though, as I have promised a certain member here I wouldnt. | |
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04-14-2008, 06:42 AM
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Originally Posted by Grace #1 lets not even come close to pretending all abortions on done in the first couple weeks, cause that isnt even close to the truth. Many times the fetus feels pain. I never said the child is more important than the mother. But they are AS important. And yes DNA the multi million page manual that tells everything about that person makes them, in fact, a person. Science demands it. Who are you to say other wise? Dont break out your dinner plate just yet. | Over 90% of abortions are performed in the first trimester, and the fetus does not feel any pain during this time, as the brain has not developed enough to enable to experience these feelings. Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace No I dont think its helping to change legislation. It is however a product of extreme frustration as we watch people get murdered by the millions. | I don't see it as frustration, though, I see it more as a group of people who are just dying to be able to tie women's legs together and control them. Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace As I clearly already explained, a person who is on death row, is quilty of a crime. That crime being killing other "decision making humans". "non sentient" is just a term you use to dehumanize what is clearly a human being. A human being that is the most innocent among us. | Not everyone on death row is guilty of a crime, and as I have stated, innocent people have been executed for crimes they did not commit. Are these people not one of the 'most innocent' among us? Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace We have already established you lack common sence, so thats no biggy. | I have common sense, it is just that my common sense is sourced from a place other than your own. Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace Actualy the bible gives us the right to govern ourselfs, including the use of the death penalty. So its obvious you dont know what a true Christian is. And just cause there are things that can be fixed regarding our use of the death penalty, doesnt make me dumb. Especialy considering the fact that you have no idea under what premise I believe the death penalty should be used. | So God would be okay with a Christian who supported abortion and homosexuality, even when both are condemed in the Bible? Quote:
Originally Posted by Grace My truth is based on simple common sence. Your truth is based on your twisted version of what you feel morality should be, rather than what it actualy is. | I simply have different views on what morality is, and should be. | |
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04-14-2008, 06:44 AM
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Originally Posted by Grace If I wasnt religious, I would most likely look at it from a scientific point of view, and that tells me that less than 6% of the population is gay. Which would tell me that it isnt a natural thing, but a abormal mental disorder. On the subject of homosexuality I wont speak about it anymore after this thought though, as I have promised a certain member here I wouldnt. | Down's Sydrome, Cystic Fibrosis, Cerebral Palsy etc are not normal eithor, because they occur in very low numbers of the population - would you agree with this? It is up to you whether you speak of homosexuality or not, I guess. | |
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04-14-2008, 07:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Sharon den Adel Over 90% of abortions are performed in the first trimester, and the fetus does not feel any pain during this time, as the brain has not developed enough to enable to experience these feelings. | So what? What about the other 10%? F them right? Everyone should have a right to exist. That should be among the basic's of human rights. Quote: | I don't see it as frustration, though, I see it more as a group of people who are just dying to be able to tie women's legs together and control them. | Well until you have spent a day in our shoes, it really doesnt matter how you see it. It just is. Quote: | Not everyone on death row is guilty of a crime, and as I have stated, innocent people have been executed for crimes they did not commit. Are these people not one of the 'most innocent' among us? | Well I personaly dont believe the death penalty should be used unless there is no question what so ever of quilt. And I think it is terrible that someone who is inocent of the charges to still be killed. However, no they are not the most innocent among us. All have sinned, and have fallen short of Gods glory. I dont think we can say the same of the unborn. Quote: | I have common sense, it is just that my common sense is sourced from a place other than your own. | If you were both against abortion, and the death penalty, I could at least understand your point of view. But there is no common sence in willfully allowing innocent children to be slaughtered, all the while standing up for a known murderer. Quote: | So God would be okay with a Christian who supported abortion and homosexuality, even when both are condemed in the Bible? | No. He has set guildlines regarding both, and is much against it. The same cant be said for the death penalty. Quote: | I simply have different views on what morality is, and should be. | Indeed you do. | |
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Originally Posted by Sharon den Adel Down's Sydrome, Cystic Fibrosis, Cerebral Palsy etc are not normal eithor, because they occur in very low numbers of the population - would you agree with this?
It is up to you whether you speak of homosexuality or not, I guess. |
I would most certainly agree. In fact I think that supports very well the argument I was trying to make. | |
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Originally Posted by Sharon den Adel Down's Sydrome, Cystic Fibrosis, Cerebral Palsy etc are not normal eithor, because they occur in very low numbers of the population - would you agree with this?
It is up to you whether you speak of homosexuality or not, I guess. | Rate of occurrence isn't why those things are abnormal. They would be abnormal even if a plurality was afflicted.
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Originally Posted by Sharon den Adel Oh please. I would much rather my child
you have a child?
be raised by a same sex couple than a straight couple, and run the risk of that straight couple being a bunch of homophobes, intent on filling my childs head with lies about homosexuality.
Such as?
At least homosexuals would teach children about love and acceptance - Christians seem to forget that this is what is expected of them. | Why do you assume homosexuals would teach love and acceptance?
John Wayne Gacy was a homosexual and so was Jeffrey Dahmer (two famous American serial killers).
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