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This video will give some insight on text that prove the bible is repulsive. Pushed by atheist, i believe there is a god, just not the one in the bible as we are told. Give it a look see before you judge!

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pensacola_niceman

I watched most of this before. It changed my outlook the first time I watched. Seeing it again only enforces it. I challenge anyone to refute what the videos are saying.

Thanks for posting that.

Grace

I watched about 2 mins of the first vid. Its more than obvious that the maker has very little understanding of the new covenet, and what Christ has accomplished in his resurrection. Kill everyone who works at walmart on Sundays?? WOW, talk about willful ignorance.

Gadgetory

Its so easy to say the maker has little understanding of something, it is tyoical of the religious belever just dismiss any concept without enetering into a dialogue.

You persist in believing in something you've no real understanding of at all other then the rather conceited position that your God waited about 144,000 years to reveal itself to humanity (humanity has been around for 150,000 years or there abouts) and then it decided to reveal itself to semi literate ancient nomads who existed in a remote region of what we call the Middle East and only to these people, he then waited another 4000 years before sending his 'son' to bring a new covenent and redeem us all. The illogic of it is so astounding words cannot describe it. Yet you believe it because signs, many of which aren't actually predicted in the old covenent, came about, one of the signs being riding a donkey. And yet from my perspective you are so lacking in self respect and respect for humanity that you believe this despite all evidence and logic to the contrary. Its true faith is not based in evidence which should automatically make any intelligent person sit up and take notice, yet intelligent people still persist in the belief because they lack hope and fear death. yet find hope in the ramblings of semi literate ancient parochials from the an obscure section of the Middle East. And to them its all logical. We've always made gods and praised them, they evolve with us, as we find out more about the world our gods change and your god will change too. Not of course in our lifetime but he has changed since the bible was first written you just don't want god to have changed.

But there is more not only did god wait this long to reveal itself but belief in it manifests itself in a rather self centered ego driven logic. That the creator not only made mankind the center of the entire universe and made all things for mankind but at the same time requires servility and praise and a god so bored it actually cares what you eat, drink and when and who you have sex with. Its all so evil and pathetic. What sort of creator is so approximate and cruel that it waited so many years to reveal itself?? Whats more why did it make snot?? I mean do we really need snot???

Mans tryanny over man and tyranny over the minds of men has been born continuously in religion and belief in something magical beyond our world. Yet religion is now forced to compete in the world of ideas and as we learn more we believe less which just makes some people really crazy and or angry and more miltant, either directly militant or seek to impose their views thriough the secular world.

In the end I feel sorry for believers they don't live life for the sake of life but for the sake of their own death in the hope that they will be redeemed. Its really very sad. Life is worth living beyond the desire of what happens to you after death.

Grace

So you think, after having a full understanding of the entire bible, that today, it would have us kill every person who worked on Sundays? If thats the case, lets explore the teachings of Paul

Chapter 4 Romans
1What then shall we say that Abraham, our forefather, discovered in this matter? 2 If, in fact, Abraham was justified by works,(obeying the Law) he had something to boast about—but not before God. 3What does the Scripture say? "Abraham believed God, and it was credited to him as righteousness."[a]
4Now when a man works, his wages are not credited to him as a gift, but as an obligation. 5However, to the man who does not work but trusts God who justifies the wicked, his faith is credited as righteousness. 6David says the same thing when he speaks of the blessedness of the man to whom God credits righteousness apart from works:
7"Blessed are they
whose transgressions are forgiven,
whose sins are covered.
8Blessed is the man
whose sin the Lord will never count against him."[b]


16Therefore, the promise comes by faith, so that it may be by grace and may be guaranteed to all Abraham's offspring—not only to those who are of the law but also to those who are of the faith of Abraham.

Chapter 5 Romans
20The law was added so that the trespass might increase. But where sin increased, grace increased all the more, 21so that, just as sin reigned in death, so also grace might reign through righteousness to bring eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Ch 7
4So, my brothers, you also died to the law through the body of Christ, that you might belong to another, to him who was raised from the dead, in order that we might bear fruit to God.

But I can do even better than this, lets look at the words of Jesus himself.

Mark 2

23One Sabbath Jesus was going through the grainfields, and as his disciples walked along, they began to pick some heads of grain. 24The Pharisees said to him, "Look, why are they doing what is unlawful on the Sabbath?"

25He answered, "Have you never read what David did when he and his companions were hungry and in need?(like the need for some folks to work on that day) 26In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions." 27Then he said to them, "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. 28So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath."


Finnaly you go on a big shpell on how I dont understand the scriptures and have no real reason to believe. When it is in fact you who have no understanding of the scriptures, or why we believe. You detest a book you have very little understanding of, and proclaim yourself on solid ground all the while making absurd claims, of which you have no understanding. I ask you again, do you believe the bible today would have people killed for working on the Sabbath? In light of what you just read? If not, why should I listen to any more lies that are claimed in those blaphamous video's???


You dont even have a basic understanding of the foundation of what Christianity is, or what Christ accomplished at the cross. Why should I listen to a single word you say regarding it?

Gadgetory

Grace that is how you justify the parts of the bible you ignore because they are no longer in keeping with the world we live in actually the Sabbath isn't Sunday, the Sabbath is a Jewish word, which points to a Jewish belief which is Saturday...only certain Jews in todays society take notice of this rule they'd be more traditional Jewish people. Jews are a little more adaptable they don't have the heaven and hell threat lingering over them.

There it is the you just don't understand it thing. I understand it, I wonder why anyone with even the remote semblence of self respect or slight intelligence would believe that the Bible is an unaltering word of God. The Sabbath use to be Saturday now its Sunday...God word and or the interpretation we put upon it changes to suit the needs of society. And if there is a God I am pretty sure he didn't mean to be so freakin rigid and uptight. You give God the worst of all human failings and rejoice in them, its really sad and well sort of amusing all at the same time

There are people who interpret the Bible this strictly. In Northern Uganda there is the "Lords Resistance Army' run by a religious zealot called Joseph Kony. He is ana evil man and a really easy example of mans tyranny over man through the use of religion. He murders anyone who disobeys the 10 commandments., which would be inclusive of keeping holy the Sabbath. Are you spo ignorant of the world in which you live you've no idea people like this exist and if you think they only exist in war torn Africa you are sadly mistaken. Of course you are going to pretend he has nothing to do with religion. There are people in this country who'd put to death a gay man because they believe he broke Gods law, there are people who murder people by blowing up abortion clinics...these are people you unwittingly support because you fail to admit that the bible is a changing thing and was never meant to be read in such regimented terms.

As for the rest of your stuff your so deep in the hole others dug for you and you now choose to stay in means you can't see the wood for the trees.

I'll just take a few instances from the bible to illustrate.

1) First of all, we have no basis to assume that all the events described in the Bible ever occurred in actual history. Therefore we have no reason to just take it for granted, as you would like us to, that they all took place.

2) Second, anyone can just write a prediction in one book, and another can just write the fulfillment of the prediction in another book, without the prophesied event actually taking place. perhaps I could prophesy that your not really going to understand what I am writing because your mind isn't open.


3) References to places that actually exist doesn't mean the book or the people in it are real. Kansas is a real state does this mean the wizard of Oz really happened. Some of the Friends of Dorothy who visit upon this board may hope so but sadly not so much.

4) There is no evidence anywhere in recorded hisory that the 7 plagues of Egypt ever happened. The Eygptians are famous not just for pyramids but the very detailed records they kept of Eygptian life ..yet nowhere does any of the volumes of records they produced mention a plague.

5) in Matthew 27:35, it says "And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, 'They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.'" which is referring to Psalm 22:18. However, just one look at Psalm 22:18 by anybody will show that the writer, David, was merely singing a psalm as a plea of help from God for injustices done to him (David) and not predicting what would happen to the future messiah!

6) Looking at the entire seventh chapter of Isaiah, it becomes clear that the child in question is to be born as a sign to Ahaz, King of Judah, that he will not be defeated in battle by Rezin, King of Syria, and Pekah, son of the King of Israel. Jesus' birth was some seven centuries late to be such a sign. In Isaiah 8:3-4, a prophetess gives birth to a son--Maher-shalal-hash-baz--who is clearly described as the fulfillment of the prophecy in Isaiah 7:14.[3]”


7) in Luke 24:46, Jesus said:

"Thus it is written and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day."

However, nowhere in the Old Testament does it predict or say that! Also, in John 7:38 Jesus said,

"He who believes in Me, as the Scripture has said, out of his heart will flow rivers of
living water."

If Jesus was right in saying that scripture prophesied this, where is it then?

in Luke 24:46.

"Thus it is written and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day."

Paul also claimed that Christ's resurrection on the third day was also predicted by scriptures. He said in 1 Corinthians 15:3-4

"For I delivered to you first of all that which I also received: that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried, and that He rose again the third day according to the scriptures."

However, Christian cannot produce a single Old Testament passage that made this alleged third day prediction! It simply doesn't exist! Likewise in John 20:9

"For as yet they knew not the scripture, that he must rise again from the dead."

How could they not know the scripture, since the scripture prophesying that doesn't even exist? No such scripture has ever been found. Jesus also said in Mark 1:2

"It is written in Isaiah the prophet: 'I will send my messenger ahead of you, who will prepare your way'"

Yet no statement like that appears in the book of Isaiah! That is a clear error there, without a doubt. In Acts 20:35 it says

"In everything I did, I showed you that by this kind of hard work we must help the weak, remembering the words the Lord Jesus himself said: `It is more blessed to give than to receive.'"

Yet no such words of Jesus are found in the Bible.

"Then was fulfilled that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet, saying, And they took the thirty pieces of silver, the price of him that was priced, whom certain of the children of Israel did price; and they gave them for the potter's field as the Lord appointed me." (Matthew 27:9-10)

The only problem here is that Jeremiah NEVER wrote anything remotely similar to this! So how could this be a fulfillment of "that which was spoken through Jeremiah the prophet"? There is a passage in Zechariah that this might refer to though, however, if the Bible is the inerrant word of God, then how could it make mistakes like this?!

When Joseph took his family to Nazareth after they went to Egypt, Matthew said he did this so

"…….that it might be fulfilled which was spoken through the prophets, that he should be called a Nazarene." (Matthew 2:23)

Again, Bible scholars have never been unable to find any statement from any prophet that this could be referring to! As a matter of fact, neither the word Nazareth or Nazarene was ever mentioned in the Old Testament.


I culd go on and on citing examples. If your God is Gd why make such mistakes in hios works. Please don't pretend this errors don't matter when you are so happy in quoting from the bible yourself to prove a point.

Further your contensions I hate to tell you this but quoting from the bible to a person who thinks your nuts for believing init in the first place actually doesn't help you. If I don't believe in God, in heaven or in hell then threatening me with any of it is pointless. You sort have to come up with something different. The thinsg you write are what you believe and you assume your correct which is merely evidence of the egocentricism I talked about in my earlier post. God tells you to be subserviant to what a bunch of yokels from a remote region of the Middle East write in return you get a reward. And he is so interested in you that he actually gives a crap about if you tell a lie or covert your neighbors goods. So in order to get the reward you are a good person.

I'm a good person with no need of reward. Ethics and morality just are. Are you going to tell me no-one thought murder or stealing was wrong until Moses bought down the 10 commandments. The contention is simply moronic. religion changes to suit the situation humanity finds itself in... Right now I believe Christianity is changing and is going to become more liberal or just die out. And people like yourself want a future based in a non existant idealized past.

it isn'tmy fault you take what you are told for granted and don't think outside what you are told, thus you can't argue the reverse and all you have in reply is no you just don't understand. Perhaps its you who don't understand.

Doeth

I am an atheist, but I have to object to this video. The bible is a book that codefies a philosophy, that philosophy (fundementally, there are other things...) is the absolute love of your fellow man. The bible is a conglomoration of Greek, Roman, German, Mesopotamian, Egyptian, and Jewish beliefs. There are gods in each of these religions who were born of a virgin mother on December 25th. On December 25th of every year the three stars of Orion's belt line up behind a fourth. Mesopotamian pagans called those three stars 'The Three Kings', and the fouth represented the city of Jerusalem.

The violent, twisted, and freakish parts of bible are left overs from the Greeks and Romans who actually acted upon these particular beliefs. If the Christianity was allowed to evolve naturally, the violent parts of the bible will be phased out. And it's happening, Grace's defense of the honorable parts of the bible proves it. In five hundred or so years (if this trend continues) most versions of the bible will have those parts written out. More than likely the Christian religion will die out just as the Romans and Egyptians did, it may take thousands and thousands of years. But the impact of Christianity will influence this theoretical religion. Perhaps it's an amalgamation of Hinduism and Christianity. Jesus is viewed as the creator god, and other gods are more like archangels. But that's just an example.

Back to the point, the violent parts of the bible are remnants of time when the stoning of adulterers was viewed as perfectly normal. The culture of Europe changed over time as larger and more peaceful nations came into existance and the belief was forced to be abandoned due to inexorable cultural change.

Grace

Nice Dodge, But your video claims that the bible would endorce the slaughter of millions of people for working on the Sabbath.

I ask you again, do you believe the bible today would have people killed for working on the Sabbath? In light of what you just read? If not, why should I listen to any more lies that are claimed in those blaphamous video's???

Grace

7) in Luke 24:46, Jesus said:

"Thus it is written and thus it was necessary for the Christ to suffer and to rise from the dead the third day."

However, nowhere in the Old Testament does it predict or say that! Also, in John 7:38 Jesus said,




1 "Come, let us return to the LORD.
He has torn us to pieces
but he will heal us;
he has injured us
but he will bind up our wounds.
2 After two days he will revive us;
on the third day he will restore us,
that we may live in his presence.

Grace

) in Matthew 27:35, it says "And they crucified him, and parted his garments, casting lots: that it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, 'They parted my garments among them, and upon my vesture did they cast lots.'" which is referring to Psalm 22:18. However, just one look at Psalm 22:18 by anybody will show that the writer, David, was merely singing a psalm as a plea of help from God for injustices done to him (David) and not predicting what would happen to the future messiah!



Really?? When did they do this to David????
Psalms
16 Dogs have surrounded me;
a band of evil men has encircled me,
they have pierced my hands and my feet.