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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 05-02-2008, 02:25 PM   #141 (permalink)
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And the reason you keep repeating the same old tired argument, is because that's the only one you've got. And it isn't a very good one.
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Old 05-02-2008, 03:08 PM   #142 (permalink)
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my only problem is that states that have these sects should pass a law that the age of consent is 18 to cut down on the possibility that young women are forced into anything until they are legally old enough to choose. or at least make it 18 for marriage and 18 to have sex with anyone over 21.

then they can do whatever they want and they are no different than any other non traditional family.
That's what Texas did. That's smacks of religious persecution. If the law was adequate before the FLDS arrived, it was adequate after they were there.

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do you think perhaps it is religious persecution?
There's no doubt in my mind. In fact, if you read news reports of the legislator that presented the bill, it's glaringly obvious that's what this is.

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Old 05-02-2008, 03:16 PM   #143 (permalink)
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well, I don't know if they were on subsistence of any kind, but if they are there is no reason for it. With all those women, one or two should at least be able to work. How many women really need to remain in the house, especially when the children are away learning? to me this kind of structure could really work if half the women worked and the other half didn't. That way if the man turned out to be a lazy good for nothing the women and children won't be lost.

As for jail, well, if the men are going to be imprisoned that puts the women at risk for imprisonment too since they all committed polygamy. so then the women won't be getting those kids back soon.
In our economy, polygamy would make the most sense. A three parent household gives 2 incomes and someone left at home. Not that I recommend it. It just makes more sense. The more the merrier. It's like families that have Grandma living with them to take care of the kids.

It's not like the precident isn't set "in nature".
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Clearly child abuse is completely unacceptable in any environment. But all children are "brainwashed" from birth by their parents into accepting certain values and beliefs.
That is a profound statement. And oh so true. If you find this wrong, then you need to look at a lot of other adult behavior that might "damage" children. The world needs damaged kids, who else are we gonna get to be the strippers, prostitututes, and welfare queens?
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I guess they could if they were in the monarchy or in ancient Egypt. But here we have laws that a majority of people have accepted. Incest is wrong. But I honestly don't care as long as the two adults are consenting, and aren't going to produce offspring.
I thought we were supposed to accept things that were in "reality" though. In reality some men love young girls(and boys), other men, and sheep. Not to mention some men want multiple wives. It still seems rather hypocritical to change laws after someone tries to create a lifestyle that conforms to the ones currently in place. I still am looking for the mass exodus of "children" from the sect. Of all the news releases I haven't heard one that said that any of these people/women are happy for the raid and want to leave. Not all the girls are pregnant or married. It seems to me all the "abuse" talk is more of the same bullshit that instigated this raid in the first place. So we don't like them? They don't like us either. But unlike the homosexuals, they aren't trying to fore themselves on society, so society raided them. Now society might have to pay up dearly.
They can go buy a new ranch.
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That is a profound statement. And oh so true. If you find this wrong, then you need to look at a lot of other adult behavior that might "damage" children. The world needs damaged kids, who else are we gonna get to be the strippers, prostitututes, and welfare queens?

There you go again FX, showing how little respect you have for women in general...

Funny, but I could have sworn you said 'children', not 'girls'...

But no...You need to focus on and post something derogitory about females in general, so you turned what was being discussed into that something to point to females specifically instead.

You need some serious counciling there FX, for your loathing of females.

In my opinion, with how you feel everything 'bad in the world' having to do with females in particular, I'm really surprised you're not a supporter for abortion...

Afterall, if your mother had gotten an abortion herself, rather then have you and provide for you the best she could (which you seem to hold against her and her inability to make your father stick around)...Then your non-exsistance would have been just one less more "damaged" child fostered off on society.

And goodness knows, from your bragging how much of a 'wh*re' you were before getting married...She obviously also brought into the world a "stripper/prostitute" herself, even if it was just a temporary one till you actually settled down that is.

Like you've been bragging to no end, you were giving it to anyone that made you an offer and willing to strip for less in your 'glory days'...Makes you a 'stripper' and 'prostitute' none the less. And you gave your wares away at the internet red light district.
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There you go again FX, showing how little respect you have for women in general...
Funny, but I could have sworn you said 'children', not 'girls'...
I respect women that respect themselves. Hard to respect a woman up on the stage shaking her hooter trying to get men to put money in her garter. WTF do you expect.

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But no...You need to focus on and post something derogitory about females in general, so you turned what was being discussed into that something to point to females specifically instead.
Last I checked though, we were discussing abusing girls in the FLDS. We were talking about females. There you go looking for something to say without really knowing what you are talking about...again. When we talk about men, I'll talk about rapists, child molesters, peeping toms, and used car salesmen. LOL.

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You need some serious counciling there FX, for your loathing of females.
I love females. No counseling necessary. I was at the mall today mulling over to myself how much I love women. Like that skinny one, that ugly one, that one with the big hips, oh wait, look at that one, oooh, I wonder how old is that one?

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In my opinion, with how you feel everything 'bad in the world' having to do with females in particular, I'm really surprised you're not a supporter for abortion...
You really don't know me. Seriously.

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Afterall, if your mother had gotten an abortion herself, rather then have you and provide for you the best she could (which you seem to hold against her and her inability to make your father stick around)...Then your non-exsistance would have been just one less more "damaged" child fostered off on society.
Yup. And we wouldn't be having this riveting conversation. But if she had gotten an abortion, it wouldn't matter, I'd be dead. One good thing about dead is that nothing matters any more. Cause you are dead.

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And goodness knows, from your bragging how much of a 'wh*re' you were before getting married...She obviously also brought into the world a "prostitute" herself, even if it was just a temporary one till you actually settled down that is.
I wasn't bragging, just stating facts. And prostitutes get paid. I offered my services for free. I was a slut. Ready and willing.
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Fx, please explain to me how the children would leave? No money, no idea what it is like in the real world, and then what. They have been trained to totally distrust anyone outside of their sect. Bringing up your children with a set of values and beliefs is fine, but abusing them is not. And forced marriage and motherhood is abuse, as well as molesting little boys.

They might not be trying to force themselves on society, but they have no problem collecting welfare checks from the government, when they feel like providing any documentation at all proving that kids belong to a certain mother.
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Old 05-02-2008, 07:31 PM   #149 (permalink)
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Fx, please explain to me how the children would leave? No money, no idea what it is like in the real world, and then what. They have been trained to totally distrust anyone outside of their sect. Bringing up your children with a set of values and beliefs is fine, but abusing them is not. And forced marriage and motherhood is abuse, as well as molesting little boys.
There are boys kicked out all the time. I'm sure they would know of some substantiated abuse. We now have all the kids teens and women in state custody, no mass defections. If they have been trained in the belief system on their closed society, they aren't being abused. I have to again remind you that not ALL of the 14-17 year olds have children. Obviously there are decisions being made somewhere. It's not the general "all the kids are being abused" mantra that you have been spouting. The facts and evidence aren't lining up with the smear you're spreading.
No adults are molesting little boys. Even the CPS says most likely it's the kids playing with themselves somehow? You are thinking with your emotions still and not relying on supplied facts.
FLDS adults not suspected of abusing boys | Chron.com - Houston Chronicle
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They might not be trying to force themselves on society, but they have no problem collecting welfare checks from the government, when they feel like providing any documentation at all proving that kids belong to a certain mother.
Got any proof that's a case? I posted a link that said none has been proven. And I have seen none alleged in this case. You are voicing unproven allegations. And we see what happens when allegations have no basis in fact.
Deseret News | Warrant dropped in FLDS raid

Utah's chief federal prosecutor says 'no' to polygamy task force idea - ABC4.com

Good thing Utah is following some resemblance of civil rights.

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my only problem is that states that have these sects should pass a law that the age of consent is 18 to cut down on the possibility that young women are forced into anything until they are legally old enough to choose. or at least make it 18 for marriage and 18 to have sex with anyone over 21.

then they can do whatever they want and they are no different than any other non traditional family.

That's what Texas did. That's smacks of religious persecution. If the law was adequate before the FLDS arrived, it was adequate after they were there.
A marriage age limit of 14 was appropriate when Texas was a frontier state and the average life expectancy was 47 years. A limit of 14 years is not appropriate today when extended education is necessary for survival in a technical world. FLDS children, boys and girls, are not being equipped with education for living in the modern world. By changing the law, Texas is just recognizing that the world has changed, while FLDS leaders refuse to recognize that.
The greatest danger to liberty lurks in the insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding.

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