Defending the Truth

Ralph, you and your bible have got no say over what a woman chooses for her own body and life. And I think the problem is that you can't handle having no say so. I haven't stated anything about any eagles nest, so that is crap. Someday, you people will realise that you cannot control women no matter how hard you try. This is not a feminazi issue, it is a woman's issue because it affects her more than anyone else. I'm sorry that you have such a hard time dealing with the fact that we don't need men to decide our futures anymore, nor do we want your advice, unless we ask for it. But since this thread isn't about abortion or father's rights, and it is about the FLDS, back to fx.

How many women leaving the FLDS and testifying about these issues will it take for you to see that there is rampant abuse going on in those communities? I don't think any amount would be enough for you. Any problems that the CPS is having is because the women would not provide accurate records for their children and the men won't submit to DNA testing. They can blame themselves for this three ring circus.

Gary, please try to see that a child is not a child until it can survive outside of the womb. It is a potential child, AGAIN. And the dead child, as you call it, isn't feeling anything in the first trimester. So stop acting as if we all have to believe that an embryo has all the rights of the born. In your mind it does, and that's great for your life, but you don't have sovereignty to write our laws. Therefore, you are free to believe what you want, but not to infringe on another person's rights. And I see that you think that women exercising the right to control their own lives is an elitist privilege, isn't that special.

And as for the you people comment being discriminatory, it isn't. That is what people from New Jersey call everyone.

If it effects only the female...why indeed is it the "male" that pays for the so called "shared responsibility"? Just what form of "magic" and lack of logic finds that the male is very much involved in conception, totally leaves the picture during gestation, but magically becomes responsible again if the female "alone" choices not to murder this gestating life, that logical "science" very much concludes is both "alive" and an "individual" because it shares not only the DNA of the female parent but also that of the male parent therefore creating a completely NEW LIVING SOUL? Yet the female alone claims to hold the right of life and death in her hands simply because it is within her body. Does this same female claim that her bowel movements is anyone else's responsibility once it leaves her body? If not, why should that which she claims to be her property to destroy or allow life be considered any other than her "sole" responsibility once it leaves her body also.....just where is the logic? There is none, its all based upon the bitching, whining, manipulation of "emotional" rantings of the female and her professed "personal" rights. But equal shared responsibility of conception is not enough...feminism must be "superior" to any right which the male claims. When the right case comes alone this "ridiculous" example of liberal female fascism that has been responsible for mass murdering more innocent lives than Adolf Hitler and his form of Nazism ever dreamed possible will end, as this portion of our nations population deserves the right to life as much as anyone else. It can be considered nothing short of fascism because the liberals have taken a very proven example of human life and declared it "inhuman" despite the fact that in other areas of legal precedent (that of gestating animal life) the legal precedent has been clearly established that gestating life is still an example of life within that same species, in this case HUMAN. What you consider a personal right....mortality declares an example of premeditated MURDER, nothing else. Therefore anyone that claims this right are neither moral nor Christian, but radical fascists exampled by pure evil and pathological behavior, that demonstrates no empathy whatsoever when their "choices" are in question.

Now we are expected to believe that these same people are really concerned about the lives of some people in a Religious community? They do not even care about the life of an innocent gestating child, why should we believe their motives are anything other than the sinister manipulation of an ideology to limit religious freedoms? (R)

More than the NONE that we have so far in this situation. And the "abused" 16 year old turned out to be a fake. So again, I ask you when are you going to state something relevant to this case?

Why would they have to submit to DNA testing if they haven't done anything? I have the right to sit right here on my ass. It's up to the state to prove I have done what they accuse me of doing, it's not my job to prove innocence. Your idea of justice is so screwed it's amazing. Holding a woman you know is an adult for over a month until she has a baby so you can confiscate it is so unconstitutional it's not even funny. One of the couples consisted of 2 registered EMT and the state wouldn't accept their licenses as proof of age. This is oh so f'd up.

Oh oh...
The Associated Press: Texas checking how many sect 'girls' are women
If it turns out the other 24 disputed minors are adults, the number of actual 14- to 17-year-old girls with children could drop to as low as five or six. That would amount to about one-fifth of the girls that age found at the ranch — substantially higher than the average rate of teen pregnancies in Texas but a far cry from 60 percent.

Not only did the the 1973 "Endangered Species Act" protect the The Eagle and its eggs, but any tree that was found to be a nesting site. It's strange that this is the same time that the US Supreme Court found a gestating human baby not to "officially" be considered alive until it had breeched the birth canal. Strange indeed. (R)