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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 05-21-2008, 05:52 AM   #341 (permalink)
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Here are a few statistics on child brides and the possible effects of teen marriage.

Poor health, early death, and lack of educational opportunities lead the list of problems attributed to child marriage.
  • Child brides have a double pregnancy death rate of women in their 20s.
  • In developing countries, the leading cause of death for young girls between the ages of 15 and 19 is early pregnancy.
  • Additionally, from having babies too young, child brides are at an extremely high risk for fistulas (vaginal and anal ruptures).
  • The babies of child brides are sicker and weaker and many do not survive childhood.
  • Child brides have a higher risk of being infected with sexually transmitted diseases.
  • These young girls are at an increased risk of chronic anemia and obesity.
  • Child brides have poor access to contraception.
  • These young girls have a lack of educational opportunities.
  • Being forced into an early marriage creates a lifetime of poverty.
  • Statistically, child brides have a higher risk of becoming a victim of domestic violence, sexual abuse, and murder
This was far more acceptable in the past, but we have come to know better in modern times, and we have gotten the power to control our own destinies, but the FLDS hasn't.
All that crap sounds fine and dandy. But in THIS case, we seem to have started to see the bullshit for what it is. A 30 million dollar boondoggle that will turn out to be the same BS that they got the last 3 times the FLDS has been raided. I'm telling you right now, just as I have since I first took notice of this story, this is gonna cost Texas dearly when the actual civil lawsuits start. You have 200 individual adults and 400 individual children that can each get a bored pro bono lawyer to sue the state. It's gonna kick Texas's ass.
Some of the latest news from THIS case, not some generic crap that has nothing to do with this.

Some of those "pregnant teenagers" have a hell of a civil case for false imprisonment...
FLDS hearings: Texas' case weakens as moms turn out adults - Salt Lake Tribune
Andrea Sloan, who represents Leona Allred, said the state was given official documents showing the woman to be 27 the day it raided the YFZ Ranch. On Tuesday, more than six weeks later, Allred's case was dismissed without the state receiving any additional information, Sloan told a Texas judge.

Wonder is there a lawyer that would take that case?

Your "elected legislators" at work
El Paso/Las Cruces News, Weather, Sports and Entertainment - KDBC 4 - We are CBS! | State starts digging for money needed for costs of FLDS raid
Lawmakers held a hearing in Austin to figure out where to find the expected $30 million the case will eventually cost over the next year.

Let's go back in history a bit at some of the now proven lies by Texas..
Sweep of FLDS kids raises legal questions - USATODAY.com

No abused 16 year old and a 30 year old Black lady instead, no underage girls currently pregnant, no welfare fraud, no abused kids, no nothing that warrants taking all these kids. You can post all the statistics of other abusive situations, but in THIS case, all that is poppycock. These people are the victims and when Texas finishes paying for this, they are gonna be a laughingstock. Utah is gonna be looking at them saying "glad it was you and not me...this time."

Keep posting unrelated gossip and lies. I'm gonna stick with the facts of THIS case.
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Old 05-21-2008, 05:57 AM   #342 (permalink)
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it is unlikely that there was no abuse and sexual slavery. i suggest the fact that there is no public information on it most likely represents the prosecutors and police desire to keep such information out of the media until the court date.

innocent until proved guilty is a neccessary part of the law, and one that should be respected even in cases like this. but the need to protect children and intervene when there is suspected abuse is also neccessary. i would be astonished if at the end of the day, there was no abuse demonstrated, but due process always takes long.
You gotta have a arrest on charges before a court date. No crimes alleged yet. And even if there are, the chances of prosecutable "sexual slavery" or "abuse" being among them looks to be bleak. Especially enough to warrant the actions of the state so far.
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Here's something I found in a story about funding this mess that specifically answers one of the allegations repeatedly thrown...

Hawkins said it is unclear whether sect members have private insurance. He also said that officials have found no evidence that anyone from the sect is receiving public assistance.

I wonder how much all those unnecessary DNA tests cost?
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Keep thinking that way fx. You'll find out much more in the days to come. They are accepting welfare, and there are 100 kids there without parents. Explain that.
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Keep thinking that way fx. You'll find out much more in the days to come. They are accepting welfare, and there are 100 kids there without parents. Explain that.
What part of " no evidence that anyone from the sect is receiving public assistance" didn't you read. That came from the "legislature". Aren't they privy?

The 100 kids is quite a question. I'd like to see the answer to that question as well. But when you have the CPS not honoring state produced documents, it's also questionable that there are really 100 unaccounted for kids.

Not to mention, that doesn't prove abuse that warrants taking them from where they were. The CPS didn't know there were 100 "unaccounted" for kids when they wrote the warrant or made the seizure. The kids were "accounted for" while they were on the ranch.

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What don't you understand about a state's right to investigate allegations of abuse. And it isn't only their right, it is their responsibility to investigate. Things found in a investigation are called evidence, and we aren't being shown all of the evidence yet. And most of the problems CPS is having is because FLDS is not being cooperative to CPS's requests. If they want their kids back, maybe they should do what it takes to get them.
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What don't you understand about a state's right to investigate allegations of abuse. And it isn't only their right, it is their responsibility to investigate. Things found in a investigation are called evidence, and we aren't being shown all of the evidence yet. And most of the problems CPS is having is because FLDS is not being cooperative to CPS's requests. If they want their kids back, maybe they should do what it takes to get them.
No abuse reported by the doctors. No parents accused of abuse. The allegation that brought the raid proven false and there is information that they knew it was. The 2 "pregnant girls" turned out to be adult. Again, no allegations of abused babies, why were they taken? No allegation of abused boys, why were they taken. Now we have kids taken from some families that aren't even plural and no specific abuse charges, no widespread abuse proven. You have absolutely nothing that supports this action. The FLDS doesn't have to be cooperative. What part of "right to remain silent" don't you understand. Not to mention proof that some of the "children" produced documents verifying their age at the time of the raid. Your allegations don't have a leg to stand on.
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Child abuse at the FLDS is hidden very well by them That is why investigations take time. Pregnant teens are a sign of abuse. 100 kids not belongong to parents is a sign of abuse. Court recorded tesitmony from someone who was there is evidence. Adults who have children who are old enough to show that the mother was underage at the time of pregnancy is abuse. A convicted leader of the community on abuse charges is enough to spur an investigation.
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Child abuse at the FLDS is hidden very well by them That is why investigations take time. Pregnant teens are a sign of abuse. 100 kids not belongong to parents is a sign of abuse. Court recorded tesitmony from someone who was there is evidence. Adults who have children who are old enough to show that the mother was underage at the time of pregnancy is abuse. A convicted leader of the community on abuse charges is enough to spur an investigation.
The pregnant "teens" turned out to be 18 and 20 something. "Pregnant teens" is not a sign of abuse. It's a sign somebody is getting ready to have a baby.

100 kids "not belonging to parents" is not a sign of abuse until you know "why" they are there. Isn't there a school on the ranch?

Who is the person that was at THIS ranch? Where is that?

The age differential prove "abuse" or that it happened in Texas though. Or that any "abuse" is currently happening to extent that you need to remove ALL the children. That just shows a lack of "investigation".

And one convicted leader convicted of abuse charges doesn't warrant what Texas did. Good luck with your blind hate though. Facts aren't panning out so far.
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Oh but they are fx. Just wait and see. And those 18 to 20 somethings probably were mothers already before this pregnancy, and if that is found to be the case, it is evidence of abuse. And 100 kids not belonging to parents is a sign that they were preparing to spiritaully be married to a person in Texas, while their parents were living in another compund in another state. And you can't traffic kids across state lines to become sexual slaves.
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