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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 05-02-2008, 06:42 AM   #31 (permalink)
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That is correct; WT. But what astounds me is why; even if we don't like Wright's words, the media still insists upon attaching those thoughts to Obama personally. I don't (and probably never will) understand this phenomenon. After all, John McCain's reverend John Hagee espouses talk of nuclear strike in the Middle East by the US. Does this mean we should attach that to McCain as well? Of couse not. How many Catholic priests have been guilty of sexually abusing young boys in their own parishes? Should we assume that every Catholic accepts this behavior? Again; I don't think so. So why should Wright and Obama be judged any different?

The difference is McCain is just supported by Hagee. McCain doesnt attend his church, didnt baptize his children. Nor has McCain ever called Hagee his "spiritual advisor". Im sure he likes the support due to the votes he will get from Hagees followers, but the relationship pretty much ends there. Obama has attended Wrights church for 20 years.
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The difference is McCain is just supported by Hagee. McCain doesnt attend his church, didnt baptize his children. Nor has McCain ever called Hagee his "spiritual advisor". Im sure he likes the support due to the votes he will get from Hagees followers, but the relationship pretty much ends there. Obama has attended Wrights church for 20 years.
But does "spritual advisor" mean "political advisor"?
All you've really said, Grace; is that Obama has attended church, while McCain has not. Also that his children are baptized.
Would it, or should we think differently of McCain or Clinton (or any other
person) if they say they are Catholics? They follow the same church as those previously mentioned Catholic preists who have been sexually abusing young boys. Where do we draw the distinction?
I'll tell you. We draw the line at what an individual has said and done for himself; and not because someone else that person knew did so. Granted; that would be in a perfect world; and we live in an imperfect one.
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Old 05-03-2008, 06:36 AM   #33 (permalink)
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But does "spritual advisor" mean "political advisor"?
All you've really said, Grace; is that Obama has attended church, while McCain has not. Also that his children are baptized.
Would it, or should we think differently of McCain or Clinton (or any other
person) if they say they are Catholics? They follow the same church as those previously mentioned Catholic preists who have been sexually abusing young boys. Where do we draw the distinction?
I'll tell you. We draw the line at what an individual has said and done for himself; and not because someone else that person knew did so. Granted; that would be in a perfect world; and we live in an imperfect one.

Hey, Im not saying its right or wrong to label him by association, Im just saying the relationship between Hagee and McCain, is much different, and much less involved than the relationship between Obama and Wright. To say its the same thing is just flat out wrong.
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Hey, Im not saying its right or wrong to label him by association, Im just saying the relationship between Hagee and McCain, is much different, and much less involved than the relationship between Obama and Wright. To say its the same thing is just flat out wrong.
You're right Grace.

I can find a parallel situation to the Hagee endorsement though, case in point: Louis "White Devil" Farrakhan.

Obama to my knowledge never hung out with Farrakhan, likewise McCain wasn't buddies with Hagee in the past. Both Farrakhan and Hagee have made statements that are very offensive to some. To some, Farrakhan is anti-White and anti-Semitic and Hagee is an Ultra-Zionist and anti-Catholic.

Farrakhan endorsed Obama whereas Hagee endorsed McCain.

Obama publicly rejected the words and support of Farrakhan; conversely, McCain, while denouncing Hagee's more controversial comments, accepted his endorsement.
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You're right Grace.

I can find a parallel situation to the Hagee endorsement though, case in point: Louis "White Devil" Farrakhan.

Obama to my knowledge never hung out with Farrakhan, likewise McCain wasn't buddies with Hagee in the past. Both Farrakhan and Hagee have made statements that are very offensive to some. To some, Farrakhan is anti-White and anti-Semitic and Hagee is an Ultra-Zionist and anti-Catholic.

Farrakhan endorsed Obama whereas Hagee endorsed McCain.

Obama publicly rejected the words and support of Farrakhan; conversely, McCain, while denouncing Hagee's more controversial comments, accepted his endorsement.

Oh wait, you think I was defending McCain?? LOL, eww now I feel dirty.
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Oh wait, you think I was defending McCain?? LOL, eww now I feel dirty.
Well it really looked like you were, at the very least it appeared as if you were defending McCain's relationship with Hagee. I was just pointing to a fairer comparison.

I'm guessing you're not a big fan of John McCain?
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Old 05-06-2008, 08:34 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Well it really looked like you were, at the very least it appeared as if you were defending McCain's relationship with Hagee. I was just pointing to a fairer comparison.

I'm guessing you're not a big fan of John McCain?
I was just trying to be fair, and saw the relationship as much different, to much to compare.

No, not a fan at all. To be honest im having hard time stomaching all 3. I dont know which is worse. I dont think I will have any part of this whole mess.
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