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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 05-12-2008, 05:18 PM   #101 (permalink)
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P.S.: My apologies to those of you who would like to have seen this be a civil and serious thread but it seems that ship has sailed.

Over 100 posts and we still haven't been told what wiccanism is all about!

Thanks I accept your apology.
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Old 05-12-2008, 05:20 PM   #102 (permalink)
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Considering every Christian denomination accepts donations to provide for their churches and their clergy to have a more comfortable life as well as provide more for the congregation to experience...

Hmmm....Then from what Gary just said there, then like you said that would pretty much make 'Chrisitan clergy' beggers as well...

I think everyone here has heard enough news stories about Christian clergy that misuse funds, don't follow what they preach, or commit other atrocious acts. Yet nobody here, especially those of a Pagan path, would paint all Christian clergy or followers with the same broad brush Gary likes to use on non-Christian people.
Fair comment Ali, there are plenty of unscrupulous malingerers preaching the "prosperity Gospel" in America.

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Old 05-12-2008, 06:31 PM   #103 (permalink)
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Over 100 posts and we still haven't been told what wiccanism is all about!

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On behalf of whom? Because it certainly was not intended for you.
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Old 05-12-2008, 06:38 PM   #104 (permalink)
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On behalf of whom? Because it certainly was not intended for you.
Actually, it was answered. But as usual Gary ignored it. He needs to go back through the posts, where not only DID TW explain it and provide a link that partially explains SOME Wiccan ideology, but both TW and I also explained that it's practices and traditions are also very diverse so there's no 'one size fits all' type of 'Wiccan' practice or specific teaching.

So if anyone is should be giving an apology, it's Gary for pretending that the question wasn't answered.

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Actually, it was answered. But as usual Gary ignored it. He needs to go back through the posts, where not only DID TW explain it and provide a link that partially explains SOME Wiccan ideology, but both TW and I also explained that it's practices and traditions are also very diverse so there's no 'one size fits all' type of 'Wiccan' practice or specific teaching.

So if anyone is should be giving an apology, it's Gary for pretending that the question wasn't answered.
Posting a link is hardly an explanation Ali, what's the point in turning a discussion forum into a swap meet of internet links?

I think we can expect more from an aspiring wiccan "minister" and a High Priestess.

And saying that wiccanism is "diverse" is also rather vague and unhelpful.

All we're looking for is your elevator pitch.

Summarise wiccanism in one sentence and don't be so coy.
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I haven't been keeping up with the posts but from what I've read from members is that Wiccanism is polytheistic moral relativity. I can't bring my conscious mind to willfully believe in the improbable and illogical, but I'll give Christian's one thing: at least they only have one imaginary friend.
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Over 100 posts and we still haven't been told what wiccanism is all about!

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On behalf of whom? Because it certainly was not intended for you.
Who would want to apologize to him anyway? Has he ever apologized for anything?
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I haven't been keeping up with the posts but from what I've read from members is that Wiccanism is polytheistic moral relativity. I can't bring my conscious mind to willfully believe in the improbable and illogical, but I'll give Christian's one thing: at least they only have one imaginary friend.

Actually Wiccans can be either monothestic, polythestic, or atheist in regards to observing a Divine presence. Many adopt a duel-identity version of the Divine (observing both masculine and feminine diety worship in the form of a God and Goddess), but there actually isn't any one particular viewpoint or set type of diety worship.

The most common factor though you'll find in regards to diety worship is that many Wiccans believe that all religions versions of multiple dieties are actually different manifatations of the Divine in many forms or identies depending on the culture or society one finds a particular diety identity...

Hence the saying "All Gods are One God"...Which is also the common version of diety worship within the Pagan path...

In otherwords, whether the practitioner calls their diety 'God', 'Mother Earth', 'Zeus', 'Aphrodite', or 'The Flying Spaghetti Monster'...That it's just different names and faces to the same Divine Spirit that all life comes from and is the believers vision/name for that Divine presence.
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Actually Wiccans can be either monothestic, polythestic, or atheist in regards to observing a Divine presence. Many adopt a duel-identity version of the Divine (observing both masculine and feminine diety worship in the form of a God and Goddess), but there actually isn't any one particular viewpoint or set type of diety worship.

The most common factor though you'll find in regards to diety worship is that many Wiccans believe that all religions versions of multiple dieties are actually different manifatations of the Divine in many forms or identies depending on the culture or society one finds a particular diety identity...

Hence the saying "All Gods are One God"...Which is also the common version of diety worship within the Pagan path...

In otherwords, whether the practitioner calls their diety 'God', 'Mother Earth', 'Zeus', 'Aphrodite', or 'The Flying Spaghetti Monster'...That it's just different names and faces to the same Divine Spirit that all life comes from and is the believers vision/name for that Divine presence.
I would say I know what you're talking about, considering the Trinity is supposed to be considered separate yet a single entity. Likewise, I believe Hinduism (popular at least) believes in something similar in that the multiple deities are really just a part of the single Supreme Being.

However I'm not sure if that's the same thing considering you mention it's compatible with atheism (or the disbelief in any deities).

On the other hand I can definitely see Gary's point. Despite what you've told me I still really don't know what Wiccanism is; other than a mesh of relativity. Buddhism doesn't necessarily claim to be one set of beliefs borrowing from a distinct canon; but there are still some fundamentals of Buddhism that makes it separate from everything else, otherwise why give it a name?

To me religion serves different purposes. Mainly I'd say they provide common identity, and they definitely provide a means of opiating oppressed masses. I'm not too sure how Wiccanism does either one of those. From what you said it seems to me that Wiccans hold the shared belief of some sort of universal supreme being; usually manifest through multiple different entities (perhaps states or manifestations?). I don't see how that is compatible with atheism. Obviously I recognize universal forces such as gravity, and even more powerful universal forces such as electromagnetism; but I don't consider any of them to be God(s). That's just rubbish.

Which of course brings us to a debate on what we should consider as God. To me, when I say "God", I refer to the conception of an intelligence that created and (perhaps) rules the universe. Usually this entity is conceived as non-physical. I think we're highly digressing if we suddenly trivialize the original conception of "God" into this weird unspecific 'force' that is more powerful than humans; otherwise everything from gravity to thunderstorms should be considered as "Gods".
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