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Religion What is your take on religion? Do you base your thoughts in life according to your religion? Do you feel that religion should be kept out of Government and Politics?

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Old 05-09-2008, 03:00 PM   #51 (permalink)
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In a sensible person's manner, one that wishes to cause the least harm as possible, then they'd skip going to the ER in the first place...Because the path of least harm is to not create a harmful situation.

I'm sorry WT, but what you are doing here is simply making up excuses to justify your lack of community responsibility. It might work for you to pretend it's 'not all that bad', but when I have to listen to people who can't get medical help or medicines, I get to see you blatently disregarding the welfare of others in order to feed your selfishness and self-centered thinking...

You have a right to care for yourself and your family...But not at the expense of others or make your actions a burden to others. There's other ways to have what you want, and still act responsibly in the process that is a benefit to all. Not just yourself or family members.

If it's only $5-$20 a week/month till it's paid off, at least then you're attempting to balance the scale for other's to get help as well. And showing financial responsibility by owning up to your debts by paying them off.

And it's really sad that you're trying to justify it, by claiming 'religious perspective' when your choice has nothing what-so-ever to do with any religion period.

Your a thief...A common thief at that. Stealing from society in general and then claiming 'I have more important things to do'...And thieves come from every religion but at least the majority of them don't claim they have a religious right to commit theft. It's really sad too...Because I honestly believe you're better then that and capable of being so much more.

But you'd rather abuse society and cry 'my beliefs allow me' rather then face yourself and your actions...And admit that what you do is what it is...Taking advantage of the system for your own personal gain and your lack of caring for the community or people effected by your illegal/questionable actions of system abuse.

By golly I find myself in the unusual situation of agreeing wholeheartedly with Ali!
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Old 05-09-2008, 03:02 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I'm sorry if I hit a sore spot for you,


Again, if that's a pet peave of yours, I'm sorry, but please don't say that I'm not a typical Wiccan just because I have money issues.
It's not a sore spot nor a "pet peave" of hers.

It's a problem of YOURS!!!

Take responsibility and stop wriggling.

And you don't have "money issues" you have job and motivation issues.
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In a sensible person's manner, one that wishes to cause the least harm as possible, then they'd skip going to the ER in the first place...Because the path of least harm is to not create a harmful situation for others in the fist place.
But if I need medical attentions and I don't go to the hospital, I am causing MYSELF harm. One's self is included in the Wiccan Rede too, my dear.
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But if I need medical attentions and I don't go to the hospital, I am causing MYSELF harm. One's self is included in the Wiccan Rede too, my dear.
It's very straightforward:

1. Get medical attention
2. Pay for it when you can
3. Stop ducking and diving like a big girlie flake
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I'm sorry if I hit a sore spot for you, as it seems that I have (why else would you be on GARY'S side of an issue), but I do what I can with the money I have. I haven't always made the best financial decisions, that's true, but I am by no means a leech of any kind. I contribute where I can and I do show that Wiccans care about others around them. We all have weaknesses, however. One of mine happens to be with finances. Again, if that's a pet peave of yours, I'm sorry, but please don't say that I'm not a typical Wiccan just because I have money issues.
I'm not saying you're not a typical Wiccan WT...I'm saying that your trying to justify what you're doing as being 'acceptable in Wicca' isn't typical or general Wiccan actions at all.

That what you are doing is anything BUT about being Wiccan...Because Wicca in no way, excuses such behavior.

Many people make financial mistakes...But on the whole, they try to correct those errors when they happen...And what you are describing isn't 'making a financial mistake'...

You are specifically creating medical debts you have no intentions of paying...It's not an 'opps, sorry I don't have this week's payment so I'll send a double payment next month'...

You are PURPOSEFULLY going and getting your medical needs taken care of with the sole purpose and mind set 'the insurance company can pick up the tab'...

That's not a financial opps...That's intentionally abusing the system in order for your own personal gain...And then you go further by trying to twist Wiccan belief/practice to further justify that abuse.

You're not describing a weakness...You're describing your self-justification to steal from other people's pockets and paint it as 'Wiccan'...In the process abusing the very practice you follow and painting other practitioners in the same irresponsible, uncaring manner you act in...

If you want to 'contribute where you can'...The you should be sending a few dollars out of every pay check towards your medical bills and keep on if it takes you 50 years to settle the debts...Cause at least if you do that, you will contribute to helping one child get their booster shots, or some elderly person one of their meds filled that will help their lives a bit easier for a month...
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But if I need medical attentions and I don't go to the hospital, I am causing MYSELF harm. One's self is included in the Wiccan Rede too, my dear.
So? It's better to cause one's self harm then to harm an innocent.

And in your case, you are devoid of concern for anyone but yourself.

Wicca is also about self-sacrifice...Something you seem to not understand or embrace.
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So? It's better to cause one's self harm then to harm an innocent.

And in your case, you are devoid of concern for anyone but yourself.

Wicca is also about self-sacrifice...Something you seem to not understand or embrace.
Wow, I DID hit a sore spot. I'm really sorry. But I refuse to see myself hurt so that the greedy fucked up insurance system can get their money. If I am am racking up negative karma points for that outlook, then so be it. I'll take my medicine, so to speak. And I'm sorry if this issue has knocked myself down a peg in your respect for me, but I am true to myself and my craft. All you can be is true to yours, and I believe that you are. If part of that is you trying to brand me as a thief, then go ahead. You say what you feel you have to say.
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So? It's better to cause one's self harm then to harm an innocent.

And in your case, you are devoid of concern for anyone but yourself.

Wicca is also about self-sacrifice...Something you seem to not understand or embrace.

Ali I think it's pretty obvious he's a flake who runs away from personal responsibility and uses wiccan principles as a subterfuge.
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Wow, I DID hit a sore spot. I'm really sorry. But I refuse to see myself hurt so that the greedy fucked up insurance system can get their money. If I am am racking up negative karma points for that outlook, then so be it. I'll take my medicine, so to speak. And I'm sorry if this issue has knocked myself down a peg in your respect for me, but I am true to myself and my craft. All you can be is true to yours, and I believe that you are. If part of that is you trying to brand me as a thief, then go ahead. You say what you feel you have to say.

I agree the health care system in America is abysmal but I still pay my insurance bills.

If you don't like the system then change it - don't abuse it and leave others to pay for your treatment.

How do you propose to rectify the situation by paying those bills in the future?
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I agree the health care system in America is abysmal but I still pay my insurance bills.

If you don't like the system then change it - don't abuse it and leave others to pay for your treatment.

How do you propose to rectify the situation by paying those bills in the future?
I know I said I wasn't going to say any more to you about it, but you actually asked me like a civil person and didn't just attack me, so I'll answer.

If I have the money in the future, of course I will put it toward whatever bills I owe. I don't want to have a credit score in the toilet. And I certainly don't want to see others suffer because of me. I do sacrifice alot for others and I try to be as "moral" as I can. I do not make excuses for my shortcomings or try to hide behind anything, including religious beliefs. I will not lie about anything. If I am fucked up, I will tell you that I am fucked up. And with money, I'm pretty fucked up.
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