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Old 05-15-2006, 12:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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PURE b.s.

HOW are other religions not "fair game" like Christianity is?



You need to elaborate.
Vague claims are meaningless.

And is it possible that the things said about "Christians" are based on the ACTIONS of Christians, which aren't found in blacks or Jews?

As for "Muslims", they've got their own realm of issues said against them, and a realm of reasons why it is said against them.

Okay, respond to these two statements:

1. Fundamentalist Christians (whoever that is) tend to be narrow-minded, judgmental and rigid.

2. Inner city blacks tend to be lazy, violent, horny and dependent on welfare.


Which of these two statements will you see printed in any newspaper?
Which of these two statements will start a riot?
Which of these two statements will get you fired from a job?
Which of these two statements is more likely to get you beaten up?
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Old 05-15-2006, 12:26 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Bullseye.

In this country, you can parody and mock Christians all you care to, but don't you dare make fun of other religions. I wish a liberal would explain this to me. Seriously.
Old 05-16-2006, 02:04 AM   #13 (permalink)
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"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
~ Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
Old 05-16-2006, 09:53 AM   #14 (permalink)
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"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
~ Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
...and the point is?
Old 05-16-2006, 10:18 AM   #15 (permalink)
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Okay, respond to these two statements:

1. Fundamentalist Christians (whoever that is) tend to be narrow-minded, judgmental and rigid.

2. Inner city blacks tend to be lazy, violent, horny and dependent on welfare.

Which of these two statements will you see printed in any newspaper?
Which of these two statements will start a riot?
Which of these two statements will get you fired from a job?
Which of these two statements is more likely to get you beaten up?
The first one is true. Do you need examples?

"We should invade their countries, kill their leaders and convert them to Christianity. We weren't punctilious about locating and punishing only Hitler and his top officers. We carpet-bombed German cities; we killed civilians. That's war. And this is war."
--Ann Coulter, This is War column, Sept. 13, 2001

"The feminist agenda is not about equal rights for women.
It is about a socialist, anti-family political movement
that encourages women to leave their husbands,
kill their children, practice witchcraft, destroy capitalism, and become lesbians."
-- Pat Robertson, fundraising letter, 1992

"The Jews of Temple Beth Sholom are sinful, greedy, Hell-bound, money-grubbing sodomites; and they have dedicated their synagogue to be a gay and lesbian propaganda mill and recruiting depot, soliciting young people to sodomy."
--Rev. Fred Phelps - Sept 7 1998, Westboro Baptist Church press release, re: protesting Jewish groups

"The Media is ruled by Satan. But yet I wonder if many Christians fully understand that. Also, will they believe what the Media says, considering that its aim is to steal, kill, and destroy?"
-- Rev. Jimmy Swaggart, The Evangelist, January 1988

"I want you to just let a wave of intolerance wash over you. I want you to let a wave of hatred wash over you. Yes, hate is good.... Our goal is a Christian nation. We have a Biblical duty, we are called by God, to conquer this country. We don't want equal time. We don't want pluralism."
-- Randall Terry, quoted in The News-Sentinel, Fort Wayne, Indiana, August 16, 1993

"Unique among the nations, America recognized the source of our character as being godly and eternal, not being civic and temporal. And because we have understood that our source is eternal, America has been different. We have no king but Jesus."
-- John Ashcroft, Commencement address given on May 8, 1999, upon receiving an honorary degree at ultra-right-wing and ultra-fundamentalist Bob Jones University, also known for its anti-African-American segregationist policies

"A civil war is brewing in which we must deal with the Jews. It is a time of reckoning for their pact with the devil."
--Robert G. Millar (1925-2001) http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/Elohim.asp

"We are to make Bible-obeying disciples of anybody that gets in our way."
--Jay Grimstead, February 1987

"Nobody has the right to worship on this planet any other God than Jehovah. And therefore the state does not have the responsibility to defend anybody's pseudo-right to worship an idol."
--Rev. Joseph Morecraft,Chalcedon Presbyterian Church, Marietta, Georgia, quoted in "the Public Eye," June 1994
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The second one is a statement you are going to have to prove.


Regardless, when Christian fundamentalists take potshots at other groups, like gays or feminists or etc., is it really no wonder when others take potshots back at the Christian fundamentalists?

And you'll note that the main noun in that phrase "Christian fundamentalist" is FUNDAMENTALIST. It's the FUNDAMENTALIST Christians who warrant such statements, based on their own actions and their own words.

Are you objecting to the truth being told about Christian fundamentalists?
"(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish."
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Old 05-16-2006, 10:19 AM   #16 (permalink)
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...and the point is?
This is classic republican come back, when they can't come up with some other spin.............



5-Minute Video of George W. Bush on the Morning of 9/11
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm


"Welcome to the "grande baille" of the New World Order"
~ George Bush, Sr. (September 11th, 1990)


September 11, 1990

http://www.cryan.com/war/speech/

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
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"The great masses of people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. Especially if it is repeated over and over."~ Adolph Hitler
Old 05-16-2006, 10:19 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Bullseye.

In this country, you can parody and mock Christians all you care to, but don't you dare make fun of other religions. I wish a liberal would explain this to me. Seriously.
I would like an explanation as to why Christian fundamentalists mock so many other groups, while other religions in this country are typically not as noisy, or even quiet on the subjects...

What goes around...
"(Gay marriage) is a debate about whether you think gay people are part of the human condition or just a random fetish."
-- Jon Stewart
"Please don't judge others by your own standards."
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This is classic republican come back, when they can't come up with some other spin.............



5-Minute Video of George W. Bush on the Morning of 9/11
http://www.thememoryhole.org/911/bush-911.htm


"Welcome to the "grande baille" of the New World Order"
~ George Bush, Sr. (September 11th, 1990)


September 11, 1990

http://www.cryan.com/war/speech/

"We are on the verge of a global transformation. All we need is the right major crisis and the nations will accept the New World Order."
~ David Rockefeller


"The great masses of people will more easily fall victims to a big lie than to a small one. Especially if it is repeated over and over."~ Adolph Hitler
Really? Here's what you wrote:
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"I want to tell you something very clear, don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."
~ Ariel Sharon to Shimon Peres, October 3rd, 2001, as reported on Kol Yisrael radio.
What is the point of that?
What does that have to do with this thread?
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Foundit66,

There certainly are religious fanatics who are narrow minded and ignorant. However this does not characterize Christianity in general. Those people are the exceptions, not the rule.

(Though how Ann Coulter made your list of religious fanatics I can't understand - she's a conservative, not a religious leader.)

Jefferson is exactly correct that Christianity is the last acceptable predjudice in America. If you need examples, look no further than this week's box office. The Da Vinci Code is a blatant attack on Christianity, yet there is no outcry from the left (who stood in solidarity with the Muslim rioters over the cartoons of Muhammed). Ron Howard won't even put a disclaimer at the start of the film (which he has done for other fictional movies that offended the sensibilities of other religious groups).

Other examples? Attacks on Christmas and Easter displays, the attacks on the Pledge of Allegiance, retroactive changes in established law removing the statute of limitations only on Catholic priests (why not public School teachers or public officials as well?), attempts to break the seal of the confessional, critically acclaimed "artwork" like Piss Christ, attempts to force Catholic hospitals to distribute the morning after pill, and on and on.


Any time you see a nun on TV she is the butt of some joke. Similarly, priests are portrayed as bumbling, or scheming, or drunk, or harmlessly aimiable.

This is not just a case of people who can't take a joke. Anti-Christianity is real.
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I would like an explanation as to why Christian fundamentalists mock so many other groups, while other religions in this country are typically not as noisy, or even quiet on the subjects...

What goes around...
You did not answer my question. Answer my question and I will answer yours. Why is it okay to mock Christians in the USA and it is politically incorrect to mock other religions.
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